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People leaving wz is now out of control.

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Vydor_HC
02.20.2012 , 03:34 PM | #281
Quote: Originally Posted by Ahebish View Post
They may have to implment a server ranking system though... say X PVP server is #1 in the country pair them off with the top 10... instead of the bottom 10 if you know what I mean?
Yeah, as long as they let us keep our "community" intact, then they could do all sorts of permutations with the servers.

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RyderQuanTy
02.20.2012 , 03:36 PM | #282
Quote: Originally Posted by drdarpa View Post
You can disagree all you want, but an easy 2-3 shot player is indeed:

Worthless

Regardless, I've played mmo's long enough to have lost my patience with abrasive noobs. Sorry, I don't really care if that makes me a "bad attitude" guy or a "d-bag" or whatever you bads want to call me.

I'll use the vote kick how I see fit. If you're not putting in work, you're as useful as the AFKer it was meant for.

Gear isn't hard to get in this game. It takes a very tiny amount of effort as compared to BM gear.
why not retool the pvp areana to make it a more competive enviroment for all someone used the gym annalogy befor if you go to the gym every day for years u will be stronger than an new guy in pvp u have better gear and role the new guy

how about more like golf of bowling leagues give the weaker playes a handicap the good players can brag about their handicap but everyone compets on a even level and the compition is fun a new guy and a veterin gamer can have a fair match

further more I say there should be server championship matches monthly

every six month or so cross server title matches

anual championship

we could have silver and gold flights no handicap and handicap turiniments
" The force is only for defence. There is no why"

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drdarpa
02.20.2012 , 03:39 PM | #283
Quote: Originally Posted by Vydor_HC View Post
-nods-

Oh I agree, players can be weak links sure. I've seen your attitude throughout my years of playing MMO's and it's one of the most destructive out there. It really benefits no one to have it, except maybe the arrogant pride of those that do.

And no, gear is easy to get, so an understand that players can and will get it will go a long way in dispelling the attitude that players suck just because they don't have it.

Best thing those with the attitude of your can do is shut up and play the game with players that agree with your sentiment and let others do the best they can. It's only a video game in the end.
In the end, it's my attitude, and you're going to have to deal with it, like it or not. You won't change it by calling it "destructive".

I'd suggest if you want to change the way things are, you might look at the 400-something threads there are on here crying about people quitting. If these people spent half the time that they do crying, learning how to play their class, participate in WZ's strategically, or getting gear that makes them competitive we wouldn't be having this conversation because I probably wouldn't be quitting wz's.

But no, instead I get to find ways for my nightly pug to make things substantially more difficult for the root cause of this problem.



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sumfizz
02.20.2012 , 03:44 PM | #284
You think it's bad now? Wait til they implement a system that punishes people for leaving with a 15 minute time out or something and suddenly the queue times sky rocket because of it.

There are really serious issues that need to be addressed in this game but people ditching a WZ is not one of them. I guess it's easier for the "programmers" to focus on crap like this instead of dealing with the harder issues at hand.

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Vydor_HC
02.20.2012 , 03:48 PM | #285
Quote: Originally Posted by drdarpa View Post
In the end, it's my attitude, and you're going to have to deal with it, like it or not. You won't change it by calling it "destructive".

I'd suggest if you want to change the way things are, you might look at the 400-something threads there are on here crying about people quitting. If these people spent half the time that they do crying, learning how to play their class, participate in WZ's strategically, or getting gear that makes them competitive we wouldn't be having this conversation because I probably wouldn't be quitting wz's.

But no, instead I get to find ways for my nightly pug to make things substantially more difficult for the root cause of this problem.
-nods-

I know it's your attitude and you're welcome to it, no matter how bad it is.

And the point I'm making has nothing to do with people crying or quitting. It comes down to people taking a look at others and instantly judging them due to what they have on their toon at any one given point in time.

It's the players with that attitude, that do not interact with others and will abuse the vote kick system with a hasty rash judgment that do harm to the game.

So, as much as I agree with you that people can get better easily, I have to disagree with the sentiment that they are worthless players or even worthless in a match, and are deserving of any amount of derision from you.

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DarthValmar
02.20.2012 , 03:55 PM | #286
We wouldn't quite if we actually had a CHOICE in our warzones. I HATE huttball. its morbildly long compared to the other warzones and you dont get any more of a reward for spending the extra time in it. Sometimes I stomach it but alot of times i log into a battle where its 5/0 in fovor of the enemy with 10 minutes left. I'm not gunna waste 10 minutes of my time just for an enevitable loss.

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Ahebish
02.20.2012 , 03:57 PM | #287
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthValmar View Post
We wouldn't quite if we actually had a CHOICE in our warzones. I HATE huttball. its morbildly long compared to the other warzones and you dont get any more of a reward for spending the extra time in it. Sometimes I stomach it but alot of times i log into a battle where its 5/0 in fovor of the enemy with 10 minutes left. I'm not gunna waste 10 minutes of my time just for an enevitable loss.
Added to the fact those 5-0 matches with 10mins left end in the next 60 seconds usually which screw's people on coms in the end... and worse yet for the losing team.

you can blame the idiots who can't do math despite the fact they are done with their dailies already.

Penalty is needed no doubt in my mind.

But there is also no doubt in my mind the system needs to evolve better.

There was an interesting idea from someone a page ago about xserver Q's 1 server vs another.... which mentioned would have to further be seperated by a server ranking system... and I thought about it more it requires some server changes as well.

It is a known fact servers are geographical.

PVP server A = #1 PVP server in the country and is located on the west coast

While PVP Server B = #2 pvp server in the country but is located on the east coast.

In order to set a server ranking system that isn't so geographically dependent pvp server clusters would have to be migrated to a neutral location.

Example: Dallas TX, St. Louis Missouri and/or Chicago, IL.

So if these 2 servers were to match up against eachother the system chooses a neutral location so 1 server doesn't have a connection advantage and everything would be relatively balanced as far as networking is concerned.

Would BW do this I don't know but it makes practical sense as far as "being fair" to all geographical regions.

This would be especially important if say 1/2 of the west coast and 1/2 of the east coast servers are top 10 in PVP wz's. Server ranking would determine which servers they go up against based on variables like PVP stats, gear, population... factional balance etc.

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Genocidalx
02.20.2012 , 04:16 PM | #288
Quote: Originally Posted by RyderQuanTy View Post
why not retool the pvp areana to make it a more competive enviroment for all someone used the gym annalogy befor if you go to the gym every day for years u will be stronger than an new guy in pvp u have better gear and role the new guy

how about more like golf of bowling leagues give the weaker playes a handicap the good players can brag about their handicap but everyone compets on a even level and the compition is fun a new guy and a veterin gamer can have a fair match

further more I say there should be server championship matches monthly

every six month or so cross server title matches

anual championship

we could have silver and gold flights no handicap and handicap turiniments
Then what's the point in leveling, gearing or playing the game? The game you're looking for already exists, it's called HoN/Dota2/LoL.

Why would removing all the purpose in playing an MMORPG seem like a good idea to you as an MMO feature?

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Ahebish
02.20.2012 , 04:23 PM | #289
Quote: Originally Posted by Genocidalx View Post
Then what's the point in leveling, gearing or playing the game? The game you're looking for already exists, it's called HoN/Dota2/LoL.

Why would removing all the purpose in playing an MMORPG seem like a good idea to you as an MMO feature?
I don't really understand your point. What does leveling and gearing have to do with what he's suggesting?

The game already has an extensive PVE genre niche over all other MMO's... what's wrong with adding or bolstering a PVP niche as well?

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Vydor_HC
02.20.2012 , 04:36 PM | #290
Quote: Originally Posted by Ahebish View Post
First, it's not an "MMORPG" it's an "MMO"

There is a difference.

If you want to RPG go play wow, they have servers dedicated to that. This game does not.

I don't really understand your point. What does leveling and gearing have to do with what he's suggesting?

The game already has an extensive PVE genre niche over all other MMO's... what's wrong with adding a PVP niche as well?

As you said if you want a game like that it's called Wow.
Ummm, there are servers dedicated to Role Play.