The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

Sprint and their baseline utility already make them the most capable kiters in the game. They don't need the extra hybrid spec talented CC. It's too much on one player.

Saying "A sorcerer will win unless you catch them off guard" is contradictory to the idea that they're balanced. A balanced class does not automatically win unless caught off guard.

Any class with all their cds up should win if they are a good player. There are some exceptions to this, but this a true statement for most classes.

Maybe the blind could be removed and the bubble could be nerfed a bit. Would that make you happy?

Lets also nerf guard while were at it.

Too much cc

The thing is everyone thinks the bubble protects 4k+, it doesn't. The bubble is 3-3.5k on a well geared player. The aoe mez is half as long as every other classes aoe mez, and is meelee range only. The only thing it does is give sorcs time to react to being jumped by meelee.

Now the OP keeps telling people to read the last 90ish pages to see all the "proof" posted and yet anyone who does actually read all 90 pages can see how many times hes been proven wrong. Someone makes a valid argument and he tells them to stop trolling. He posts a pic of him doing top damage as a mara in a huttball (sorcs favorite wz) with several sorcs in it, and as soon as it is pointed out he removes it. Any post made with valid points in it he spams to the next page so people don't read it.

This has to be the most elaborate troll post in the history of trolling or the most idiotic OP ever.

My bubble math in the OP uses a 3.5k bubble. That's typical of any Sorc with decent gear(and by decent I don't mean champion gear with the default mods. I mean remodded good gear).

The AoE mezz is half the duration of a Marauder AoE mezz but with a 4.5s or 20s cooldown as opposed to a 1.5 minute cooldown. You're looking at the duration(AoE mezz rarely lasts the full duration anyways) and totally ignoring the fact that it's essentially spammable over a semi-lengthy battle.

Sorcerers have a lot of CC. That's the problem. You can't compare a single stun and say "X class has the same thing" because "X class" doesn't have all of the other CC that Sorcerers have. Sorcerers simply have too much all at once.

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If your best argument is "Well you [as a former WoW glad ranked player by the way] did really well in some huttball matches against some keyboard turning Sorcerers that didn't even know they had an ability called Force Slow and didn't understand that Whirlwind worked on players so you must be totally wrong about everything!" then I'm afraid you're beyond the reach of reasoning.

^ can any1 tell me why this guy thinks if he says the same crap enuf times it will be true?

Because he's correct.

97 pages of rants don't make you correct. They just make you look like a fool.

Majority whining doesn't mean you are right. It just means alot of people are wrong.

Except for the fact that I used math, comparative analysis, and practical scenarios to prove my point over the course of over 200 pages of discussion. I also trimmed down my original list of complaints as I was proven wrong. What's left is stuff that hasn't been proven to be balanced in the slightest. If debate=rant to you then I don't know how you could ever function in a real world setting where people argue, debate, and quarrel all the time using facts and analysis to fight for what they believe is correct.