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Sorcerers, seriously what the hell?
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FourTwent
02.20.2012 , 09:26 AM | #141
I suspect it is because this is a game to a lot of people, a form of entertainment. Not everyone wants to 'work' every time they sit down to play a game.

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me_unknown
02.20.2012 , 09:31 AM | #142
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Philar View Post
In summary, your argument that population proves power level is logically flawed and will be ignored by rational readers.
the truth in this sentence has only one flaw: most readers aren't logical

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RocNessMonster
02.20.2012 , 09:35 AM | #143
It cant be any worse then Jedi Knight on Republic side. I had a team last night with 8 JKs 1 Trooper and 1 Consular, this is common. Of course, I'm the only one using Guard (Vanguard).
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Shatterstorm
02.20.2012 , 09:36 AM | #144
Whosy what? I teabag sorcs on my commando. I love them they are so nice and squishy. Nothing funner to watch then a flaming sorc trying to run away when he learns assult commando means firery death.
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DervimNorth
02.20.2012 , 10:06 AM | #145
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Philar View Post
Class population saturation occurs in one of these instances:

1. The class is OP.

2. The class is perceived to be OP.

3. The class is fun/cool.


If the class is actually OP, it will be nerfed. Since Sorcerer/Sage QQ has been going on since launch and the only changes so far to the class have been a small buff, the rational person will see that #1 is false..

If there are a lot of people who simply refuse to L2P, and believe the best way to get better at PvP is to get every other class nerfed, the forums will be filled with QQ about how OP a class is. This will cause the FOTM crowd to immediately start rolling the "OP" class because they want to be facerollers. Once the faceroller hits max level and learns the reality, they will either reroll or they will keep playing the class they have become familiar with. Based on the huge volume of nerf requests, paired with the mostly hyperbolic "my warzone was all sorcerers!" threads, it is pretty easy to see that the forum gives the impression that sorcerers are OP, however, as referenced above Bioware has not nerfed the class because they have actual metrics by which they determine OP, UP, and Balanced specs.

If the class has a cool story, is fun to play, or just looks like a BAM-FWIC it will attract a lot of players. The Sorcerer has all three.

In summary, your argument that population proves power level is logically flawed and will be ignored by rational readers.

Wait! Are you actually implying that pvp devs know what they're doing?! Roflmao! Talk about rationality.

Because no rational person would trust Good'ol Gabe with tieing up his shoelaces, let alone balancing things out. Coz hey, everybody knows that 20vs100 ilum is a balanced play, and that all healers can do all the content, and that operative healers have a burst heal...

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Orangerascal
02.20.2012 , 10:08 AM | #146
Quote: Originally Posted by DervimNorth View Post
Wait! Are you actually implying that pvp devs know what they're doing?! Roflmao! Talk about rationality.

Because no rational person would trust Good'ol Gabe with tieing up his shoelaces.
Bioware pays Good'ol Gabe more than most forum whiners. You can always send your resume to bioware if you think you can do better.
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Darth_Philar
02.20.2012 , 10:10 AM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by DervimNorth View Post
Wait! Are you actually implying that pvp devs know what they're doing?! Roflmao! Talk about rationality.

Because no rational person would trust Good'ol Gabe with tieing up his shoelaces.
I'm not implying anything. I am stating the fact that the developers have the tools to analyze metrics.

What they do with the results can be debated, but in the end, it is their game and no class is OP or UP if they say it isn't because they are the ones making the rules and giving the grades.
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DervimNorth
02.20.2012 , 10:18 AM | #148
Quote: Originally Posted by Darth_Philar View Post
I'm not implying anything. I am stating the fact that the developers have the tools to analyze metrics.

What they do with the results can be debated, but in the end, it is their game and no class is OP or UP if they say it isn't because they are the ones making the rules and giving the grades.
Indeed they are, which is part of the problem, considering the fact that Ilum is totally balanced and is working exactly as intended, according to Gabe... Which doesn't changes the fact it still sux.

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DervimNorth
02.20.2012 , 10:20 AM | #149
Quote: Originally Posted by Orangerascal View Post
Bioware pays Good'ol Gabe more than most forum whiners. You can always send your resume to bioware if you think you can do better.
Perish the thought! I'm not the one who worked on WAR.

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XxPetexX
02.20.2012 , 10:21 AM | #150
There's a reason every WZ in FULL of sorcerers and assasins. It's because they are very OP and are quite easy to play.

But in my personal opinion the worst class is Imp operative. Not too many play them but that class is the cheapest class ever. Whenever I can be stun-locked while having 60-70% of my HP eaten away I call BS. Sure they may be easy enough if you the the jump on them. but the majority of the time they will fight on their terms and if they do get the jump on you 1vs1 with all CD's ready you are a dead man.
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