Premade vs Pug makes the „average“ player quit

I have been seeing a lot of hate for premades recently and I actually do understand the problem. I have been doing premades myself since the days of DAOC and actually liked to be able to beat 40 players with our 8 man group in open field combat. In this environment premades were needed to fight the zergs because running solo simply was not an option for most classes, so you could either zerg or build a premades and I never liked the zerg mentality.

Later in WOW those premades changed. There were no longer fights against larger groups but it changed to farming lesser organized and mostly poorer equipped players. There was no skill involved and the graveyard farming became boring very quickly. At least for the players that actually liked PvP. Anyone who liked a to have a challenge stopped doing premades and did Arena to get some kind of challenge. Matchmaking was introduced with a reason because a large part of the player base just wanted to do BGs for fun without being dependent on forming a group just to do a few BGs.

Now we are here in SWTOR and have the same problem again. The argument of the pro premade group is:
You can always build a group yourself, make “friends”, this is an MMO…

What they ignore is the fact that bioware wants to keep the masses playing and the masses do not like to be forced in any kind of group.
All premade players that say those fights are in any way fair or balanced are either incredibly bad or just lying. I have been running in a premade for a while (we made BM pre Ilum) and we have yet to loose a single game of hutball against a non premade group. This is plain an simple boring for us and very frustrating for the groups we play. We still do it to get the 3 wins we need each day, but I actually feel bad for the groups we play.

Just to use a real life example: I have been playing soccer for more then 20 years now and I am playing in a regular team and we play other regular teams once each week. There is a league and those games are more or less fair.
There is also a soccer field nearby that we use to play for fun once or twice a week. Often there are quite a few players from my regular team and some hobby players and guess what we do not do:
We do not play with our regular team against those hobby players because it would be incredibly unfair. We mix the teams to get interesting and fun games as often as possible.

Premades in MMO are in most cases greedy and want to farm and win as often as possible ignoring the fact that those games are incredibly boring and frustrating for the loosing side.
Just to keep the “average” player playing, we need a matchmaking system that separates the premades from the pugs and even better: Matches the gear levels of the players so not one group has 5 BM and the other 6 fresh level 50 (at least when playing the same faction).

You say this:
Then you say this:
Are you saying you're 'greedy and want to farm and win as often as possible' ?

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Or do you just want to farm 3 wins, then wait for rated warfronts like every other competent premade?

Most premades want competitive games. Like you said they've farmed the valor and gear. The only thing left is the competition. They're all waiting for rated WZ's.

TL;DR:
Premades are better than PUGs.

So basically your saying Premades win more often? I think we all know that and why most Premades will be looking forward to 8v8 Premades.

Some of us want to win the 3 warzones as fast as possible and this means we want to win as often as possible in as little time as possible.

If I want to do WZ after that (for fun) I go solo und pug because it is boring in a premade.

Most premades to NOT want competitive games, otherwise they would not play as a premade in this environment. Most premades that play right now just want to farm valor as fast as possible some actuality have fun in humiliaing and farming the pugs in their spawn zone. There is zero reason to do premades if you want competitive games right now.

News flash, there is no rating system right now. Nothing about Warzones is competitive.

I say that premade vs. pug is unfair and that it should be made sure that premades only play premades. I do know that everyone could form a group and then play premade vs. premade but you know as well as I do that this will not happen. There are to many players that just do a few games a week that simply do not want to be forced to group up.

Most people that say premade vs. pug is fine just want to keep the option to farm pugs for easy wins. It is far more challenging to have an impact on the outcome of match just by yourself then to win by default just because you are better organized and equipped then your oponent. Anyone I know that wants challenging and fun games is against pug vs. premade for a reason. The people that want pug vs. premade to stay are mostly the scrubs that know they will loose against real premades and just want to farm pugs.

Telurian,

You are absolutely right.

What I have never understood is that the game designers do not see their flawed business model. As I said in a different post. If you want to be rich cater to the poor.

Most mmo since ultima online, and that too now, cater to the rich.

That is why most games do not survive as they want to either. They fail, and the reason is simple. They make the premades and the hardcore gamers richer, and as such the poor become even poorer. Instead of creating reward system that make game balance good, they make game balance worse and worse as time goes by.

People pay the same amount of money to play. That is why everyone need to play the same game.

Cmon are these guys for real ?!

I see one guy saying that :

People pay the same amount of money to play. That is why everyone need to play the same game.

Bro let me light it up for you just in case this is your first mmo. Accept that there are some other guys out there that are also paying, and have a lot more skills than you'll ever have in PvP. Why ? Because that's everything they are doing, and they like it. They've been doing it since day 1 from 10 years ago.
Win after win they get what they deserve for the time they are wasting into this game, and the x other games they've been PvPing in.

So this is your frustration, that you aren't getting everything handed on a silver plate.