Game DESPERATELY needs a character progression after 50.

So, what you're asking for, is a system of advancement that rewards you for doing something?

Hm, sounds just like what questing, raiding, and WZs do.

Oh, and the Codex Entries do actually benefit your character. They give you nice little bits of experience while leveling.

It has already gotten old, it's not getting old to me

And no, I didn't answer you for the exact reasons I listed.

And I would just not read your post if you didn't directly reply to my posts so often. HOw about we make a deal - you no longer quote or reply to anything I write and I'll never quote or reply to anything you write?

Sound fair?

You don't need experience after 50 Kaskava.

I am talking about after 50 here.

And trust me, the last thing i wanted on this game while i was leveling was more experience lol

Sounds like a terrible system, to me, and not at all what I've heard described by people who played old-school SWG a lot longer then I did.

So, you finish leveling, and then your done? Your character just sits there and collects dust? I would expect that kind of thing in KOTOR or Mass Effect, where the story-line and levels are the only draw to the game.

In the MMO's I've played, the idea was that your character never stopped progressing. And, if for some reason, your character did stop progressing, you generally quit. It was that way in RuneScape, it was that way in SWG, it was that way in WoW.

Speaking of SWG, how can you sit there and tell me that anyone felt like there character was 'complete' when they were done leveling? Gear in that game permanently broke, forcing you to go get more from a crafter. If ever there was a gear treadmill, that would be it.

Not to mention the way the Jedi system was set up, originally, making you grind out all 40 professions to unlock your Force Sensitivity. Then there was the perma-death system. If anything, reaching the apex of anything in that game just forced you to do more stuff to stay there.

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Now, you get to 50 and instantly look around going "it doesnt feel finished or complete. Whats next?"

Fact is you level far to fast in this game and when you do anything to fast, you will never have the reward or feeling of completion.

I agree completely. I leveled my toon to fifty so fast that I probably skipped half the planets. There was no need to stick around any longer than the time it takes to complete your class quest, especially if you're landing on planet already over-leveled.

But, for that reason alone, I have A LOT of content I have yet to even see, simply because I skipped over it. Which is good, because that means it will still seem fresh when my alts reach those quest-lines. I mean ****, what the **** is Taris?

And how many of these did WoW have when it was very first released and in the few months afterwards ?

Just give it time, WoW wasnt built in a day....

Dude... I... nevermind.

WoW actually had an end game by the time I was 50. They had reputations where you max rep on some faction to get crafting schematics, gear, titles, and stuff. In pvp, there were reputations also.

Wrong on so very many levels. You almost have to go out of your way to avoid forming a group on my server. I've seen posts on these forums, and even talked to a REPUBLIC player, about people who get invited to groups WITHOUT EVEN ASKING.

Don't try and shove that "Well, I'm a casual player" BS on us. I'm a casual player to. My guild is made up of casual players. This game, and this is my one big gripe about it, is the most casual-friendly game I've ever played. You don't need to form an End-game guild to do Flash Points, or even raids. I see people spamming for raids ALL THE TIME. To do world bosses, it might help to be in a large guild, but you don't need an end-game guild to kill most of them.

The hardest part about HM flash points are the enrages at 25%, and those don't require hours of devotion to study, dissect, and memorize. You can either do them, or you can't. That simple. Hell, HM BT takes at most a half hours, and that's if your group is slow. Like mine usually is, since we have two tanks.

You certainly don't need to schedule this game into your life. I used to be on the Elitest Jerk forums all the time, going over the latest Death Knight tanking info. I would spend hours studying it, tweaking my spec, adjusting my rotation, and optimizing my gear. Want to know how much of that I've done in this game? 0. I look at the stats on stuff, see if it's a tank item, see if it's an upgrade I like, then take it.

It's still a form of character progression that is not gear-related. Honestly, I don't even know what else you could want. The Bunny-Killer Extraordinaire title?

Say it with me; Ex-per-i-ence. I picked up all of the profession entries, just to cover the hump from level 11 to level 12.

That's all fine and dandy, but some people do, and it's sitting right there. Is it valuable post-50? If you're a Lore buff or an RP'er it is.

Do you know how many posts I've seen asking for "more companion stuff pl0x"? Me neither, but there have been quite a few. Hell, there is a huge thread that has gone on for several iterations, and has been around since the mid-beta, asking for more romance interactions with the companions.

So then what the hell do you want? Name examples, or your argument is pointless, honestly. Saying, "We want moar! NAO!" is really asinine, if you don't say what it is you want.

This may be true for you, but trust me - it isn't for a lot of us.

It is absolutely impossible to find tanks sometimes. Impossible. And that's no BS. Rather you think it is or not. I know because I deal with all the time, as does many others I see on the chat lol

Most of your other points, like experience bonsues and such, aren't in the proper context of this debate. I'm talking about after 50 - when experience isn't useful.

Besides, as I pointed out earlier - the last thing i wanted while i was leveling up on this game is more experience.

As far as things I'd like to see - the Legacy system has potential. I hope it's good. And an effective cross-server LFG tool would be nice also. So some good changes are in the works to address these issues - least I hope.