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_Zorth_
02.19.2012 , 05:25 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Girdeux View Post
^^^

*** are yous even arguing about? This is Vader vs Revan.

This is spite anyway, Vader wipes the floor with Revan.

People have explained to him countless of times that Vader wins, but then he says "Starkiller wins" out of nowhere.. Somehow we got into Vitiate vs. Sidious and I just can't stop replying to him..
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MajinEddie
02.19.2012 , 06:59 AM | #32
Force crush vaders breathing box and fights over. Most ppl in vaders time were really stupid. They let palpatine play them all. Mace even knew aniken was haveing a hard time with that fight and he still went all crazy on palp. What a dumbas. Revans far beyound the fools of that time. He would look at vaders slow stupid looking self. Then look at his ***** helm. Lol a bit. Then forcecrush his breathing box. Fight over. Revan takes a nap.

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Makoto_Shishio
02.19.2012 , 09:31 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by havok_bloodcraft View Post
Red: There is no such statement to that effect. there is only a statement from GL that palpatine was the strongest but there were only ever 5 sith as far as GL knows or cares. So when talking about EU characters you have to look at facts.

Look at the facts eh? I am about to hand you your ***. Prepare to be "pwned".

Obviously you never read Dark empire.


That and the fact that Vitate needed rituals and trinkets which takes time to accomplish most of his feats. Palpatines power all comes from within himself.

1) Palpatine can create hyperspace wormholes(force storms) from his own power that are powerful enough to destroy an entire planets surface and wipe out an [b]entire star fleet[b] killing tens and thousands of soldiers.
2) His very existance caused an imbalance in the force.
3) His lightning killing off 50 storm troopers in one single blast and reducing 3 sith acolytes powerful enough to being maul back from he dead to charred ashes.
4) Force blinding 10 000 jedi
5) His mere presence on byss turning "one of the most lush and fertile planets" into "one of the galaxys most powerful dark side nexus".
6) Constantly draining billions of people on byss while keeping them alive
7) Being respected and being bowed to from the ancient sith


"The Ancient Sith pown new age Sith" don't believe it. It's totally crap and baseless. Naga Sadow, one of the most infamous Ancient Sith, did really nothing except throw a brick with The Force. The accounts of him blowing up stars is clearly stated to be done through his Flagship's technology. This tech could be used by even weaklings lin the Force.

The most powerful Sith Lord EVER is a new age Sith. The Sith is known as Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Sources to back this up:


"The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed."
-- Death Star, page 76. Emphasis mine.

"...Yoda could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
-- The New Essential Chronology, page ??? (I don't own the book). Emphasis mine.

"Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."
-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72.

Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:

"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."

Empire's End, one of the Ancient Sith spirits on korriban: "He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."

Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: "No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."
On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: "Palpatine at his peak."

Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave."

Now you know comics so you'll be well versed in people calling narrative hyperbole. Take into note these feats along with those quotes:

Palpatine learned a Force Storm. It is is an attack that rips apart the fabric of existence and space-time. It can do everything from create a wormhole to move a person lightyears to ravage the surface of a planet to annihilate starfleets. Palpatine uses Force lightning with enough power to kill 100 augmented Strormtroopers effortlessly. Same lightning reduced 3 dark siders strong enough to resurrect Darth Maul to charred skeletons.

His battle with Luke in Dark Empire, according to the audio, had enough energy sent off to kill nearby Stormtroopers. He also can drain planets of their energy.


A dying palpatine in empires end was able to blast a hole and instantly killed a jedi with lightning who tried to attack him while mortally wounding the other.





I do. Palpatines true form has been stated to be pure dark side energry, he has been stated to be a dark side nexus and even a blackhole in the force. Vitiate's prowess is far less when compared to Palpatine.



Quote: Originally Posted by havok_bloodcraft View Post
Palpatine never learned to extend his life with the force. Thus the need to clone himself.

Vitiate was over 1000 years old and could make other people immortal also.

Palpatine was unable to recruit luke or galen and couldn't enforce loyalty in vader.

Vitiate ruled over thousands of sith for 1000 years as the supreme ruler of all sith.

Palpatine was able to transferhis consciousness to a specially made clone.

Vitiate could possess people outright through astral projection while keeping his real body alive.

so tell me again how palpatine was "100 times far stronger" (which is very bad grammar) or more powerful than vitiate.
See the above, you just got your *** handed to you young boy.

To put it very simply, anything Vitiate can do, Palpatine can do better without the aid of trinkets or rituals, that and at his peak he can move at speeds faster than the eye can see. That and Palpatine actually dominated the entire galaxy while vitiate only controlled the sith empire.

Last but not least he has also been stated to master almost every single force technique by the time of dark empire and being able to devise new ones at his pleasure. It is an undisputed fact that Emperor Palpatine is the absolute most powerful sith lord in SW history, absolutely NOBODY comes to his level of power(except that cosmic entity abeloth) and id argue that not even Luke would be able to put him down easily.

Even the great Galen marek got overwhelemd in the dark side ending with little effort from sidious
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MajinEddie
02.19.2012 , 09:41 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Makoto_Shishio View Post
Look at the facts eh? I am about to hand you your ***. Prepare to be "pwned".

Obviously you never read Dark empire.


That and the fact that Vitate needed rituals and trinkets which takes time to accomplish most of his feats. Palpatines power all comes from within himself.

1) Palpatine can create hyperspace wormholes(force storms) from his own power that are powerful enough to destroy an entire planets surface and wipe out an [b]entire star fleet[b] killing tens and thousands of soldiers.
2) His very existance caused an imbalance in the force.
3) His lightning killing off 50 storm troopers in one single blast and reducing 3 sith acolytes powerful enough to being maul back from he dead to charred ashes.
4) Force blinding 10 000 jedi
5) His mere presence on byss turning "one of the most lush and fertile planets" into "one of the galaxys most powerful dark side nexus".
6) Constantly draining billions of people on byss while keeping them alive
7) Being respected and being bowed to from the ancient sith


"The Ancient Sith pown new age Sith" don't believe it. It's totally crap and baseless. Naga Sadow, one of the most infamous Ancient Sith, did really nothing except throw a brick with The Force. The accounts of him blowing up stars is clearly stated to be done through his Flagship's technology. This tech could be used by even weaklings lin the Force.

The most powerful Sith Lord EVER is a new age Sith. The Sith is known as Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Sources to back this up:


"The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed."
-- Death Star, page 76. Emphasis mine.

"...Yoda could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
-- The New Essential Chronology, page ??? (I don't own the book). Emphasis mine.

"Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."
-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72.

Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:

"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."

Empire's End, one of the Ancient Sith spirits on korriban: "He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."

Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: "No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."
On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: "Palpatine at his peak."

Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave."

Now you know comics so you'll be well versed in people calling narrative hyperbole. Take into note these feats along with those quotes:

Palpatine learned a Force Storm. It is is an attack that rips apart the fabric of existence and space-time. It can do everything from create a wormhole to move a person lightyears to ravage the surface of a planet to annihilate starfleets. Palpatine uses Force lightning with enough power to kill 100 augmented Strormtroopers effortlessly. Same lightning reduced 3 dark siders strong enough to resurrect Darth Maul to charred skeletons.

His battle with Luke in Dark Empire, according to the audio, had enough energy sent off to kill nearby Stormtroopers. He also can drain planets of their energy.


A dying palpatine in empires end was able to blast a hole and instantly killed a jedi with lightning who tried to attack him while mortally wounding the other.





I do. Palpatines true form has been stated to be pure dark side energry, he has been stated to be a dark side nexus and even a blackhole in the force. Vitiate's prowess is far less when compared to Palpatine.



See the above, you just got your *** handed to you young boy.
I saw palpatine get tossed over a lil gate by a burnt up old guy who cant move verry well. Cant breath verry well and crys alot. Why dident he do some super DBZ mega wormhole move there to save himself? I know i know the books for ppl who like garbage says he came back n blha blha. He killed goku. Then satan now he rules the universe but lost to a punk who only trained for 2 years name luke. Wow those books suck.

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Makoto_Shishio
02.19.2012 , 09:43 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by MajinEddie View Post
I saw palpatine get tossed over a lil gate by a burnt up old guy who cant move verry well. Cant breath verry well and crys alot. Why dident he do some super DBZ mega wormhole move there to save himself?
Because even the most powerful force users(Galen,Yoda,Luke,Revan etc etc) get their asses kicked when they are caught completely off guard?


Don't tell me the great mike tyson wont get knocked down if somebody ambushed him and caught him offguard with a knife.
Quote: Originally Posted by MajinEddie View Post
I know i know the books for ppl who like garbage says he came back n blha blha. He killed goku. Then satan now he rules the universe but lost to a punk who only trained for 2 years name luke. Wow those books suck.
Butt hurt kotor fanboy is all i can say about you. You want to know something? The Revan and any old republic novel was terrible.
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MajinEddie
02.19.2012 , 09:52 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Makoto_Shishio View Post
Because even the most powerful force users(Galen,Yoda,Luke,Revan etc etc) get their asses kicked when they are caught completely off guard?


Don't tell me the great mike tyson wont get knocked down if somebody ambushed him and caught him offguard with a knife.

Butt hurt kotor fanboy is all i can say about you. You want to know something? The Revan and any old republic novel was terrible.
I think hes mad. Why are SW fans so angry? Thats why gorge hates you all lol. Man i like these forums.

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Makoto_Shishio
02.19.2012 , 09:53 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by MajinEddie View Post
I think hes mad. Why are SW fans so angry? Thats why gorge hates you all lol. Man i like these forums.
More importantly, why are you so angry that your favourite fictional character isn't the top? Besides nerd rage moar, its cheap entertainment.
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BinxDarkstar
02.19.2012 , 10:43 AM | #38
Ok, seriously, this shouldn't be an argument. EVERY WRITER WHO HAS EVER BEEN A PART OF SW HAS SAID THAT SIDIOUS IS THE STRONGEST SITH EVER.

That being said, I STILL think Revan could beat Vader because of everything that Vader had hampering his abilities; BUT GM Luke, who is less powerful than his father's original POTENTIAL, but is quite possibly more powerful than Sidious reborn, would tear Revan apart, meaning that if Vader had NOT lost the battle on Mustafar to Obi-Wan, he would have torn Revan apart without breaking a sweat.

But as it stands Vader is said to be about 80% of Palpatine (Pre-Cyborg had the potential to be 200% of Sidious)

It's never specifically said, but I believe Malak was approx Vader's strength when empowered by the Star Forge (meaning that naturally, he'd be far weaker than Vader), which would mean that Revan is at least slightly stronger. But, that's just opinion.


Also, anyone who wants to say you can't use EU lore for Sidious or Vader: Lucas doesn't consider ANYTHING in the EU to be canon, so Revan doesn't even exist in his eyes, so it's ALL EU, shut up.

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havok_bloodcraft
02.19.2012 , 01:56 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by _Zorth_ View Post

For all I know Revan and Vader could be the same person..
Maybe Revan became one with the force, Then re-appeared in Shmi's belly.. He came out as Anakin?

We'll never know, will we?

^ See how failed your logic is?
Revan and Vader are the same person. At least from an archetypal standpoint.

Was a Powerful Jedi. Check
Was a Powerful Sith. Check
Became Good again. Check

If you look at Revan's story vs Vader's story objectively you would see the effectively are the same person just in a different set of circumstances in a different time.

Revan was made to be like Vader.

And seriously quit accusing everyone that doesn't buy into all that dbz bs post rotj of being a revan fanboy. lucas has in film and in games setup a realm of what people could do with the force. Palpatine using lightning was the best sith power ever manifested in these examples. GL setup the rules that only the weak minded could be force persuaded even people as powerful as yoda and palpatine had to deal with that as a solid rule of existence that is why he couldn't just brainwash luke galen or vader to follow him blindly and why he couldn't brainwash the rebel leaders into turning over their friends. but in a book palpatine erased the memories of an entire planet which we know at least some of them were not weak minded. a majority of the post rotj books read like DBZ instead of star wars I beleive that the force never granted that kind of power or the mandolorians would not have been a match for any jedi or sith but throughout history regular people killed jedi/sith like the clones did with order 66. The people who became one with the force were ghosts that couldn't interfere. that was the GL version of more powerful than you can imagine.


And No We Don't Want to Read The Dark Empire Series Because We could Watch Hundreds of Episodes of Dragonball and Get the Gist of it.

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havok_bloodcraft
02.19.2012 , 02:26 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Makoto_Shishio View Post
Butt hurt kotor fanboy is all i can say about you. You want to know something? The Revan and any old republic novel was terrible.
All of the novels were terrible with exception of the novelizations of the movies and shadows of the empire. Everything else was garbage. I enjoyed kotor not because of revan but because I got a lightsaber and could play a star wars game. I have played every star wars game. I have not and would not read those trashy novels. I read the wokiepedia on palpatine vader luke revan vitiate galen marek and so on to see what they could do and what was considered g canon and c canon and from that decided those books would be a waste of time for anyone to read. I have a friend with a genius level intelect that finished high school at 12 I brought this up to him and he had no experience with anything not in the movies but I had him read all the info on wookiepedia about Vader and Revan and he says based solely on the information there he would say revan wins.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vader for vader

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan for revan