Attacking republic in Open World is griefing?

And what makes you think they didn't report us? If someone takes the time to actually create a character, then whisper rude things, I'm sure they would be motivated enough to actually create a ticket. Yes, I'm making assumptions. Yes, assumptions that are logical are usually correct. Yes, that's also an assumption. And yes, I know you are being contrary just to be contrary.

*sigh* I never said that they didn't report you, I said that you don't know if they did.



Someone telling you that they will report you and you not getting a warning is not enough to prove anything whatsoever about whether it's allowed. Hopefully you can agree with this.

I just reported you for disagreeing with me, since that's not allowed. If you don't get a warning, are you going to assume that I didn't put in a ticket, or that disagreeing with me isn't actually against the rules.

I'm hoping that you'll insist that you don't know whether it's against the rules to disagree with me. Maybe you'll spend many sleepless nights worrying about the warning that may or may not come.

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It would be ridiculous to get a warning for disagreeing with me. It would also be ridiculous to get a warning for PvPing in a PvP flagged zone on a PvP server. We can intelligently assume that, in both cases, you won't get a warning.

Except we have no proof of what occurred, just a post by someone who has since admitted that he left before the warning was issued (and therefore didn't get one himself) making it a 2nd hand story.


I agree, if it was just a case of "pvp on a pvp server" then no warning should be issued - however you don't know what happened, I don't know what happened and tbh the OP doesn't know what happened after he left.

Not only is there no proof of what happened, but there is no proof of any tickets or any punishments.


If I made a post about being warned for killing a mob on a pve server would your default reaction be total and complete belief?

Why do I get the feeling that you never even read my posts? Every single post that I've made has been to express skepticism about the OP's claims of receiving a warning. In fact, your last sentence pretty much sums up what I just posted. let me quote it for you side by side:

If something is ridiculous (getting warned for killing a mob on a pve server, getting warned for pvping on a pvp server, getting warned for disagreeing with someone on the forums), then it's pretty safe to assume that it didn't, and won't, happen. Sounds to me like you agree with me, except you didn't actually read what I wrote

Also:

I agree. In the context of this thread, no warning should be issued for PvP on a PvP server. Anything else that you assume did or did not happen doesn't fit into the scope of this discussion.

You admit that the goal was to deny them of something. Yes, that is griefing.

Camping the boss, when you have no interest in it yourself other than to disrupt others, is pretty lame and malicious.

You beat them. Congrats, move on. Don't stick around and bully them.

This is where we clearly disagree. The discussion I'm having is not limited 100% to what was said in the OP, it's what we are discussing in the thread as a whole. And that includes the rest of the circumstances which have been discussed as well as how likely it is that the OP is accurate.

*skips topic*

No, attacking isn't griefing. Being able to AOE and break their death-stealth and strip away their chance to recover, however, is griefing. Personally, I'm amazed this wasn't an issue that got solved in beta testing. Rather than stealth, just give a stealth based invulnerability. Attack and it disappears, get hit and nothing happens. Simple sounding enough, but apparently impossible to program in.

Attacking other players while they kill a boss = no problem.

Just killing the adds to force an enrage = exploit.

There's a line between PVP'ing and exploiting mechanics to grief and from what you're saying in this thread it seems like you crossed it. In other PVP games I've played when you die your corpse can be looted, which prevents these suicide run at the NPC sort of "tactics" but since there's basically no real penalty for dying they do need to put some rules in place to prevent you from doing some things that are not what they designed the game to do.

People in PvP zones on a PvP server should expect to get killed by players.

I don't understand how this is viewed as 'exploiting' or 'griefing'; players are warned twice about PvP - once in the login screen, once when they enter a PvP area - so this sort of thing shouldn't be unexpected.

I don't accept that camping or enraging a boss in a PvP area is 'griefing' - it's a PvP server gosh darnit, denying the opposition content is essentially your aim. If I started complaining that I couldn't complete my PvP daily/weekly quests because Republic players kept killing me, I'd get laughed at. Given that this is a PvP server and not a PvE server that we're discussing, I don't see that it's any different.