The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

I'm not asking for a nerf to the AC. I'm asking for certain talents to be moved around. I'm also asking for Backlash to not be a 3 second CC on a 4.5s CD.

Talents being moved would ONLY effect the ONE SPECIFIC TYPE OF SPEC that's overpowered. The AC as a whole would be left completely unharmed.

First of all, kudos on whining about a well balanced class.

Secondly, stop reviving this dead thread, and learn to play your class. You're a marauder for gods sake, the worst nightmare of any sorcerer. A marauder with crafted gear can faceroll a rank 60+ sorcerer at any given time.

Seriously, pull your head out of the sand, and learn how to play your class properly. Don't make me start on how insanely OP marauders are. Leap, stun, 5.5k 5.5k, stun, 4k, dead sorcerer.

Edit : For your information, I'm not making these numbers up. You should roll a sorcerer, and try to 1v1 a sentinel, marauder, jugg or guardian. You'll end up crying and find yourself making threads on how OP they are. Or at least thats what I assume you do all the time considering the time and effort you put into whining rather than mastering one of the strongest classes.

yet that "one specific type of spec" doesnt do that much damage and when pressured has to become mobile to stay alive. its built solely around surviving. Yes it can be anoying BUT it CAN easily be locked out of the game as ive just done to a guildy of mine.

i also dont get you 4.5seconds cd idea here or are you referring to spam bubbling other players? in which case your damage output is heavily dropped due to playing utility mode and in itself can cause heavy issues if not done correctly due to resolve filling up very fast.

At this point in the gaame things that should be higher priority to change are issues with resolve being a fail and the fact roots don't work with it.


The big thing and the very big thing people also forget here. is these two talents (bindings and backlash) are pretty important for sorc leveling. Survivability of the class i low and when leveling its not always an option to turn your *** and run with many mobs about. Changing tier of talent of such could just completely destroy any sort of moderatly ok leveling experience of a sorc as it is already heavily dependant on keeping companions geared as it is.

Personally i couldnt care for the cc spec. i dont use it as its not my role. my role is to get attention and force ppl to atack me or die so my team mates can get objectives. Criplling the main utility based play of the spec just breaks it, especially for lightning which is already weak as it is and would require a damage buff to compensate.

oh you can also have backlash not stunning when force charge doesn't root AND interupt casts and you dont just **** off and vanish with 1k hp left to re open into another cc

I agree. I usually can get away from OPS/snips sneaking up on me . Yet recently I faced a we'll play/geared marauder and he basically man handled me. I never even had an opportunity to get off anything. There isn't many toons that get killed by a single player in 2-3 sec like a sorc. I think the class is very balance yet can seem to be a bit OP if we'll played.

Buffing ? They aren't horrible, they are just subpar compared to what you can get on low tiers via hybrid, like i said, a surplus of great talents which belong on higher tiers. Your thinking is flawed man, no offense intended.

Blackslash is effective to any class as a tool, and it ignores resolve (also you forgot to mention gunslinger so they can't get into cover).

bold part = fix resolve then. dont start messing with a class because resolve is crap/not working properly :P

and they are horrible. high end 31point talents are weak for sorcs and for madness its pathetic. "surplus of great talents" again your looking at cc. try looking at flat out damage output instead. if you force ppl into 31 point builds the output drops aswell as the survival making the whole AC weaker.

they are also subpar compared to all other 31point dps specs in game. there is a reason why near all dps sorcs raid pve in hybrid builds. (a basic 3 point shift into lightning from madness)

also doesnt help that alacrity doesnt work properly atm.

No, i am looking at everything (btw, when i said blackslash, i meant bindings, too used with the sage ;p).

I am looking at wrath, at madness, at electric bindings, at barrage, at chain lighting, at lightning barrier, at haunted dreams, etc... there are hell of talents reacheable via hybrid getting making you able to get more burst, more substained and more cc than speccing full into anything.

And about they are "subpar" compare it to saboteur/sharpshooter 31 talent, at the ****** combat 31 talent which you must take just to make the spec work (well guess what, it doesn't, the spec sucks), that doesn't force those classes to go full hybrid, neither they have the options to get a man's dream of tools that way, they have to decide and choose where they lose on their gameplay. You just have to think if one CC more is better than more surge, or if you want a better aoe burst.

If you didn't have all those talents down there, i would pretty sure you would love your 31 point talents (well, except the aoe heal for pvp)

We've already had the "fix resolve instead" discussion. It's both stupid and unreasonable to talk about class balance with future potential MAJOR game changing mechanics. I also suggest buffing Thundering Blast if they nerf Wrath to kill hybrids. I'm being more reasonable than you're giving me credit for. Ever since the thread was made I've been giving ground to Sorcerers to be more reasonable with my requests. There is a point when you cannot give more ground because you would be leaving them in an overpowered state. If someone can make a solid argument that suggests otherwise I will once again edit the OP to reflect said argument's conclusion.

as ive said plenty of times. i dont play a 20/21 build. i play a 13/28 high output dps build so i know what im on about when it comes to damage. the 31 point builds do not come close to the hybrid for dps output. changing the trees round will do nothing but weaken them further (for damage output.. important part) if those talents where not down ther in the current state the specs would be 100% broken. Lightning would be forced to play cc only and madness would be massivly damage gimped and super static by having a 3second fl channel constntley.

moving cc talents up the lightning tree so madness hybrids cant reach them would mean that madness would need a buff to survivability as it would have very little, and lightning would need a boost to damage as it would also be lacking.

also at present sorcs do already have to chose if they want cc or burst/dps as to get bindings and backlash requires a shift of 7 points between specs already.

nerfing wrath would break madness btw. madness relies on CL output to keep up dps values in pve aswell as pvp (even sinlge target pvp). removeal of the 20% dmg boost or changing it to only allow CrushD would massivly hamper madness playstyle and really hurt their output.

its also not stupid or unreasonable to talk about resolve being fixed. as one fix to resolve fixes the issue anyway without damaging the current specs. Blinds AND roots should both be on resolve bar. why there are not is stupid as is but when the issue is very plan to see a coding change to reslove to work propelry is a much more sensible solution that trying to rework and rebuild two whole talent trees. And yes you have to take into account that hiting the talent tiers in lightning you also affect madness which will also need adjustments