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Attacking republic in Open World is griefing?

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Attacking republic in Open World is griefing?

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Ryotknife
02.18.2012 , 09:51 AM | #41
i thought griefing was same faction only.

and hell, in wow during the burning crusade there was an outdoor boss that was supposed to be a 20 man but you could use as many people as you want. i remember single handedly wiping their entire 50+ raid over and over again by cycloning the tank so that the boss went wild and wiped out half of the raid with a single cleave.

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Jestunhi
02.18.2012 , 09:52 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Ryotknife View Post
i thought griefing was same faction only.

and hell, in wow during the burning crusade there was an outdoor boss that was supposed to be a 20 man but you could use as many people as you want. i remember single handedly wiping their entire 50+ raid over and over again by cycloning the tank so that the boss went wild and wiped out half of the raid with a single cleave.
From the rules which we all agreed to on harassment: "Player versus Player (“PvP”) activities, where available, are not exempt from this policy."


You can't just do anything you like just because someone is in the other faction.
Quote: Originally Posted by AlyxDinas View Post
Jestunhi's responses might be just about the the most asinine and pigheaded responses I've ever read on a forum.

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Dosvidaniya
02.18.2012 , 09:53 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Ilintar View Post
I don't really see a problem as long as all sides agree to PvP (either by being on a PvP server or flagging for PvP).

As a rep player, on a PvE server I had an encounter with a sith who sneaked into our heroic 2 zone on Ilum and kept assisting mobs against republic players trying to do dailies. Sure, it's frustrating, but my first response was not "report him", but "/2 hey, anyone up for an ops to smoke an imp out of our h2 area?". It's part of the role-playing. Ask yourself a question: is it within your view of the depicted world to have sith aiding random creatures fighting republic soldiers? If it is, then it's perfectly within the rules. Now, if someone was to repeatedly aid mobs by healing them and was not flagged for PvP, that I would consider griefing because it's abusing the mechanics (but even then, the solution should not be to have players reported, but to switch mechanics so that a player healing mobs that are fighting the opposing faction is immediately flagged for PvP).

Also, what you call "exploting mechanics" others might just call "tactics" :>
One can argue the logic of it. However, most games take the stance that "creative" use of boss mechanics to kill other players is NOT pvp; it's griefing. In your case, you aren't talking about a world boss where one player's nonsense can stop a raid with little to no skill. I have stealth, if I repeatedly kill the adds on the belsavis boss just so you explode, what could you possibly do about it? You won't find me, I have stealth. I could sit there and tag the boss right as you pull. This one has a legit argument for world pvp. However, exploding the adds doesn't. I don't know if they were doing it, but if so, it really isn't pvp. It's just suicidal griefing.

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sjmc
02.18.2012 , 09:55 AM | #44
I think attacking players on a PVP server is ok. That is, after all, the point of a PVP server. Arguably, if they are camping a spawn so that the person can't revive, it could be considered harassing, but anywhere else should be fine.

However, I could see that "tagging" the boss for the purpose of preventing the other side from battling it (but not planning to battle it yourself) could be considered exploiting the game mechanics. If you attack the other players but not the boss I don't see a problem (or attacking the both the players and the boss and trying to win).

Also, when it comes to harassing behaviour, a level 20 trying to complete a quest and being hammered by a group of level 50s over and over for no reason may have reason to complain. But we are talking about an attack on a group that is big enough to be taking on upper-level world bosses....

EDIT: Personally, I don't tend to attack enemy players when they are involved in a PVE battle, but I'm Light IV. I wouldn't expect someone Dark IV to follow the same rules.

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Labradoraki
02.18.2012 , 10:04 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
I think attacking players on a PVP server is ok. That is, after all, the point of a PVP server. Arguably, if they are camping a spawn so that the person can't revive, it could be considered harassing, but anywhere else should be fine.

However, I could see that "tagging" the boss for the purpose of preventing the other side from battling it (but not planning to battle it yourself) could be considered exploiting the game mechanics. If you attack the other players but not the boss I don't see a problem (or attacking the both the players and the boss and trying to win).

Also, when it comes to harassing behaviour, a level 20 trying to complete a quest and being hammered by a group of level 50s over and over for no reason may have reason to complain. But we are talking about an attack on a group that is big enough to be taking on upper-level world bosses....

EDIT: Personally, I don't tend to attack enemy players when they are involved in a PVE battle, but I'm Light IV. I wouldn't expect someone Dark IV to follow the same rules.
You can very easily escape spawn camping... you can w8 for 15 seconds to revive yourself and get 12 seconds of stealth(8+4 due to pvp death) and even if you cant escape oyu just need another min to do it again and go further.... also you can go back to spawn to reset the time in that ressurect timer....

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Batslav
02.18.2012 , 10:19 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Oteefo View Post
"Open world" PvP is one thing.......but denying another group of players access to content is another....

I would suspect there is a balance they are working here....

Did your group proceed to slay the world boss?

....or were you just killing off the republic players so they could not?

huh ?

they are on PVP ill say it again PVP server and if they see players anywhere in open no matter questing raiding etc they have the right to attack them
players should know that going out of town means they can be attacked on PVP servers

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Jestunhi
02.18.2012 , 10:21 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Batslav View Post
huh ?

they are on PVP ill say it again PVP server and if they see players anywhere in open no matter questing raiding etc they have the right to attack them
players should know that going out of town means they can be attacked on PVP servers
I agree with this.

If this is not the case then BW needs to remove the pvp flag when players are fighting mobs.

Or at least provide some way to tell if a player is in pve combat so pvpers can avoid "breaking the rules" by attacking them.
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Jestunhi's responses might be just about the the most asinine and pigheaded responses I've ever read on a forum.

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RkJedi
02.18.2012 , 10:21 AM | #48
exact same thing that happened to me and my group when we attacked another group in open world PVP, (the encounter was on corellia) my group was level 50, and so was the other group except 1 he/she was level 42. after some pvp, 2 hrs later i got a mail in my inbox, so i went to the next nearest mail box to open and read it, it says that i was reported for harassment etc... and i sent tells to my other friends that were still online that was in the same group and asked them did they get the same mail. and long and behold yes they did. so world pvp isnt world pvp? and pvp server isnt a pvp server???? huh.... then what am i paying to play here?
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Vincedaddy
02.18.2012 , 10:25 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Jestunhi View Post
From the rules which we all agreed to on harassment: "Player versus Player (“PvP”) activities, where available, are not exempt from this policy."


You can't just do anything you like just because someone is in the other faction.
That's bs I will camp everyone I come across and purposefully wipe every repub group I see attempting to kill a world boss. Why? Because I rolled on a pvp server and doing those things I listed is a lot of fun. If bioware wants to inform me that I'm griefing over these things I'll die laughing and instantly unsub because it's far from griefing it's world pvp the illuding concept that bioware can't seem to understand.

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Quantum
02.18.2012 , 10:39 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Vincedaddy View Post
That's bs I will camp everyone I come across and purposefully wipe every repub group I see attempting to kill a world boss. Why? Because I rolled on a pvp server and doing those things I listed is a lot of fun. If bioware wants to inform me that I'm griefing over these things I'll die laughing and instantly unsub because it's far from griefing it's world pvp the illuding concept that bioware can't seem to understand.
Then enjoy getting busted for it. Purposely denying players access to content over and over is griefing, as per the games ToS. Deal with it or go elsewhere.