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Ziegler
02.18.2012 , 07:56 AM | #1
So here is the scenario.

Belsavis World Boss is up. Republic guild is trying to take him down. A group of Imperials attack the repubs.....repeatedly til they abandon the boss.

Imperials get warnings for griefing.


I could have sworn this game said it had open world PVP....and I also could have sworn I chose to play on a PVP server.

So I would like the devs to clarify this.

And a little bit of rant here.
Bioware, you have never been big on the whole PVP thing, so much so that you had to co-opt developers from Warhammer to do it for you. The above example only shows your lack of knowledge about PVP.
A couple of things to enlighten you.
First, open world pvp in the gaming community means.....pvp anywhere, anytime.
On a PVP server, a common practice is denying the opposing faction areas, entrances, bosses....you know...it's almost like....oh I dont know....a WAR...like STAR WARS!!!!

I can deal with bugs, I can deal with slow patches and fixes. (you have been good with patches)...I can deal with alot of things. But one thing I cant stand is a mommy game company babysitting a PVP server.

So I would like some clarification.
Is it ok on a PVP server to actually attack the opposing faction in an organized fashion to deny them areas, quest bosses, or anything else? Can my guild decide to wage war on Belsavis and attempt to deny to the whole world to the republic?

If I kill someone and they come back to the area, am I allowed to keep killing them til they give up? If not, what's the magic number before I am griefing?



One pissed off PVP'er.
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Jestunhi
02.18.2012 , 07:58 AM | #2
Sounds like utter BS to me.

Spawn camping - I can see this being griefing regardless of whether it's a pvp server as the player has the option of just respawning (and being killed immediately) or logging off.



However, people choosing to go to a boss character which is being camped by enemies? No.

That is not griefing by any definition of the word which I know of.
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Oteefo
02.18.2012 , 07:58 AM | #3
"Open world" PvP is one thing.......but denying another group of players access to content is another....

I would suspect there is a balance they are working here....

Did your group proceed to slay the world boss?

....or were you just killing off the republic players so they could not?
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Redmarx
02.18.2012 , 08:01 AM | #4
This cannot be true.

It should be perfectly fine to kill republic and deny them that boss. That is what a PVP server is.

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Jestunhi
02.18.2012 , 08:02 AM | #5
Here's the harassment part of the game rules:

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Harassment Policy

Our goal is to build a strong community that offers a comfortable atmosphere for all of our players. This means seeing that players have the ability to combat antisocial behavior

Harassment consists of misuse and/or abuse of game mechanics and verbal harassment with the intention of distressing and offending other players. Game mechanics allow players to interact with the world and each other. For example, the ability to block a doorway is a game mechanic. Use of game mechanics like these is by no means considered harassment in and of itself. The key to determining whether the mechanic is being misused or abused is to determine "intent." Reported incidents are not considered harassment until it is determined by the SWTOR CS that it was done to intentionally to cause distress or to offend other players.

Harassment is also any behavior that is incessant, inescapable, derogatory and directed specifically at you or your group. Before reporting, a genuine attempt to alleviate the situation should be made by leaving the area or the offending player, or asking them politely to stop. If a sincere attempt has been made to solve the problem and the offending player persists in the behavior, it should be reported.

Behavior that is always considered harassment includes derogatory and/or hateful comments that are sexual, racist, religious, or related to gender or creed.

A judgment of valid harassment can result in penalties placed on the harassing party up to and including immediate account closure, based on the severity of harassment and the player's past account history.

Player versus Player (“PvP”) activities, where available, are not exempt from this policy.
http://www.swtor.com/legalnotices/rulesofconduct

As far as I can see none of the above rules have been broken based on the info in the OP.
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Leandrid
02.18.2012 , 08:10 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Oteefo View Post
"Open world" PvP is one thing.......but denying another group of players access to content is another....

I would suspect there is a balance they are working here....

Did your group proceed to slay the world boss?

....or were you just killing off the republic players so they could not?
If what the OP wrote here really happened, it is the most ridiculous thing I ever saw in an online pvp game.

Denying a group of players access to content shouldn't be allowed? Hello, anyone at home? If you don't want to participate in open world pvp, then for god's sake choose a pve server already! It doesn't matter if his group wanted to kill the boss themselves or not. It should be ok if all they wanted was to kick some rep *** for a couple of hours.

PvP in these games today is in the gutter, didn't realize until now how ****** it became.

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Ziegler
02.18.2012 , 08:13 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Oteefo View Post
"Open world" PvP is one thing.......but denying another group of players access to content is another....

I would suspect there is a balance they are working here....

Did your group proceed to slay the world boss?

....or were you just killing off the republic players so they could not?
The whole story, they attacked us first. We did the PVP thing and made a call out on the TS server....

We rolled in and camped the boss, didnt take it down, but protected it instead. Tag the boss as they get there and then wipe them. Actually thought this was cool and enjoyed the PVP. After a bit, most of us left but some stay around harassing the repubs by attacking them while they engaged the boss and such.

Perhaps on a PVE server that would be wrong. But on a PVP server, PVP happens, you have to plan for the opposing faction and IMHO be ready to abandon running a world boss or cancel a RAID because the entrance is blocked by the opposing faction. BW tends to be really carebearish though, so I could see them saying this is harassment or griefing. If that is the case, it's their game and I wont complain about it.
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ThalantyrDSL
02.18.2012 , 08:14 AM | #8
Who did you receive a warning from Ziegler?
Did Bioware actually come on and tell you off for PvP'ing? If so, who was it?

You're always going to get people on PvP servers that think that being denied content is against the rules. They're just soft-PvP'ers, or new-school PvP'ers. It's not like it used to be and it will never be again. Open-PvP originally worked so well because factions had to cross-paths in certain areas which on itself created insanely good fun while PvE'ing. You had to look over your shoulder before pulling a mob because that mob could be the difference between whether you win the incoming stealther and PvP fight or not.

I completely agree that PvP is about zone control, PvE control, etc. Denying people is where the fun comes from and being denied is also fun because you have to think smarter than the other players.

If this was just some Republic, or Empire, having a cry in /say or /shout, forget it, it happens all the time.

SWTOR is NOT an open-PvP game and never will be. The sooner you accept that the more enjoyable it will be.

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Arsanists
02.18.2012 , 08:15 AM | #9
If the story of the OP is true then yea thats terrible of BW... seriously, A guy could interupt my fight 10 times and I wouldnt even consider reporting him let alone actually giving the warning.

Open world PVP is there to create randomness and 'mini games' there's no problem interupting other peoples plans.. that is the way communities and rivalries get formed SOMETHING THIS GAME NEEDS

My guildies and I were duelling and some IA's waited for us to almost die then jumped us.. we just laughed and thought that was a good idea from them...
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Jestunhi
02.18.2012 , 08:17 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Ziegler View Post
some stay around harassing the repubs by attacking them while they engaged the boss and such.
This does not help your argument.
Quote: Originally Posted by AlyxDinas View Post
Jestunhi's responses might be just about the the most asinine and pigheaded responses I've ever read on a forum.
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