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If you are 50 and a PvPer, why are you still here?

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If you are 50 and a PvPer, why are you still here?

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eklipzze
02.18.2012 , 03:36 AM | #581
Quote: Originally Posted by Lalush View Post
Like pve? no thanks. Go for Datacrons, I have almost all of them.
I play Online Games for pvp. And in this game the pvp suck, I REALLY HOPE BW CHANGE THIS **** OR THE GAME WILL DIE FAST.
I know alot of ppl that play cos they pay 6 month, maybe BW have 1.3 millon subscribers now but if the thing continue like this by July or june this game will be dead
No, the game won't die fast because we (PVPers) are a small part of the MMO playerbase. Sorry but that is the truth. I'm thinking they probably will fix the pvp in the game but that is why it hasn't really been their top priority during the first couple of months after release. I'm sure its coming though.

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rlpirate
02.18.2012 , 03:38 AM | #582
Quote: Originally Posted by eklipzze View Post
No, the game won't die fast because we (PVPers) are a small part of the MMO playerbase. Sorry but that is the truth. I'm thinking they probably will fix the pvp in the game but that is why it hasn't really been their top priority during the first couple of months after release. I'm sure its coming though.
they really cant fix it tbh
Swtor needs more pvp

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eklipzze
02.18.2012 , 03:42 AM | #583
Quote: Originally Posted by rlpirate View Post
they really cant fix it tbh
Of course they can... I have seen a million good ideas on here for fixing pvp.

So translation: Anytime someone says a game can't be fixed, it means they don't want them to fix it.

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King_Arillious
02.18.2012 , 03:46 AM | #584
Quote: Originally Posted by omarunaoe View Post
In regard to the original question posed...

Because I'm having fun. I can't imagine paying 15$ a month on something I don't enjoy.

I'm an above average PVPer (6.5/7 out of 10, let's say, probably an 8 after another month or so and my new mouse), a well-above average PVE-er, and I enjoy the mini-game that is making buttloads of credits.

Since this is in the PVP forum, I'll address that aspect primarily.

I find the war zones to be fun. They're simple, but that's welcome. Exploits aside, 8 vs. 8 is a good number. I'll take huttball over AV any day of the week, and huttball is definitely my least favorite of the three at present.

I only solo queue, which I imagine contributes to my enjoyment more than my frustration. If I did nothing but roll PUGs, I'd probably be bored 2 weeks after hitting 50 too. Instead, most of my games are actually pretty even and interesting rather than shut-out medal fests. There are morons on both sides of the field, most often, so it kind of evens out.

I feel like this game is pretty balance. No class ever absolutely destroys me (I play a Pyro PT and a Pyro Merc), making skill feel much more like a component and making my own progress as a PVPer much more real. If I fight a person one week and get smashed, I get a little more gear and learn, and if I do better the next time I see them, hey, cool. Eventually I kill them in a non-lame way, and I'm smiling for the rest of the night.

The reason things feel balanced is that everyone has a toolbox. Some classes have bigger toolboxes than other, but compared to other games, there's much more utility spread around. Almost everyone has a stun. Almost everyone has an interrupt. Almost everyone has a slow, a mezz. Everyone has an escape button and a resolve bar and a few defensive buttons to press.

Other games taught me to learn and accept that there were Kobiyashi Maru situations in PVP. Dual wielding class stuns you with your trinket down? You're dead. Guy with a big hammer is on you while his healer runs around pillar? You're dead.

That doesn't really exist in TOR outside of huge gear disparities and 2v1 situations. I can last at least 30 seconds against almost anyone in similar gear, which is long enough for me to outplay them rather than simply be paper, rock, or scissors.

To people who are threatening to unsub... what is it that you really want from the game? I don't mean which bugs do you want fixed, or which buffs or nerfs do you want to see, but in a more general sense, what are you hoping to experience that you aren't getting?

There is plenty of unfun baked into the PVP system (random bags, exploits, etc.), but that stuff is being addressed with every patch. It will get fixed. If there's something less tangible that's causing your dissatisfaction, make a thread about THAT. Everyone knows what peripherals are wrong, but the personal equation is impossible to discern in the sea of QQ.

Well said man. Completely agree.

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eklipzze
02.18.2012 , 03:48 AM | #585
Quote: Originally Posted by jolten View Post
The funny thing is that they will probably continue the whine on that forum.
There is some things I can agree on and that is that illum needs fixing, to much lag and how valor gains works now promotes kill trading so no real fighting going on.

Don't understand the battle master whine either couse I rather use my pve set when doing pvp and I'm succesful expertise is overrated.
Sure I loose when queueing solo and meeting organised groups but that has nothing to do with the gear your using.
Of course they will. When GW2 is released and fails to live up to their crazy expectations of perfection, they will be on the forum whining about how the game sucks and its dying. And how they can't wait for *insert next big mmo game* because it will be the best mmo ever made. lulz

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silvershadez
02.18.2012 , 04:09 AM | #586
I'm waiting for GW2 myself too. But i don't expect it to be that super awesome some people allready make it.

I've tried at least 3 other MMO's since i left WoW and they all failed to serve those high expectations people currently have, which leads in a whine-ragequit-cycle just like here.

SWTOR is way better then most other MMO's i've played since i left WoW. So i'm sticking around.

I predict that the OP or those other guys yelling "PvP in SWTOR sucks, I wait for GW2!" will just get disappointed once again. The trick is to set down expectations, especially when the game is in such an early state like SWTOR currently is.

This being said: Goodbye my fellow whiners and we'll meet at the GW2 forums (where i'll prolly tell the exact same as now....)

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rlpirate
02.18.2012 , 04:10 AM | #587
Quote: Originally Posted by eklipzze View Post
Of course they can... I have seen a million good ideas on here for fixing pvp.

So translation: Anytime someone says a game can't be fixed, it means they don't want them to fix it.
ok

Look at ilum. why does it suck? cause the engine cant support massive battles. Dont even worry about the factional imbalance(oversight by bioware but u cant put 100% blame on them) cause in the best case sceniro of 50 repubs vs 50 empire ur just gonna get a big lag ball that nobody will enjoy. To fix this they would have to make changes to the engine(if they could even do it) and that will prob create a whole new set of problems.

World pvp. Same as ilum, crap engine doesnt support the big fights, planets are over instanced keeping enemy factions apart, most quest lines dont take u near the other faction and the icing on the cake is that it offers no reward so there is zero incentive. Why get a group to go into empire areas when warzones gives cerdits, exp and comms? World pvp was dead on arrival.

And then we have warzones. this is all we have now and tbh if all ima have is 8v8 i rather go back to shooters(well, i am goin back). Warzones is the only thing bioware can improve on, shell out a bunch of new maps and just call it a day. But we all know thats not gonna happen.
Swtor needs more pvp

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eklipzze
02.18.2012 , 04:13 AM | #588
Quote: Originally Posted by silvershadez View Post
I'm waiting for GW2 myself too. But i don't expect it to be that super awesome some people allready make it.

I've tried at least 3 other MMO's since i left WoW and they all failed to serve those high expectations people currently have, which leads in a whine-ragequit-cycle just like here.

SWTOR is way better then most other MMO's i've played since i left WoW. So i'm sticking around.

I predict that the OP or those other guys yelling "PvP in SWTOR sucks, I wait for GW2!" will just get disappointed once again. The trick is to set down expectations, especially when the game is in such an early state like SWTOR currently is.

This being said: Goodbye my fellow whiners and we'll meet at the GW2 forums (where i'll prolly tell the exact same as now....)
Exactly.

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eklipzze
02.18.2012 , 04:14 AM | #589
Quote: Originally Posted by silvershadez View Post
I'm waiting for GW2 myself too. But i don't expect it to be that super awesome some people allready make it.

I've tried at least 3 other MMO's since i left WoW and they all failed to serve those high expectations people currently have, which leads in a whine-ragequit-cycle just like here.

SWTOR is way better then most other MMO's i've played since i left WoW. So i'm sticking around.

I predict that the OP or those other guys yelling "PvP in SWTOR sucks, I wait for GW2!" will just get disappointed once again. The trick is to set down expectations, especially when the game is in such an early state like SWTOR currently is.

This being said: Goodbye my fellow whiners and we'll meet at the GW2 forums (where i'll prolly tell the exact same as now....)
Exactly.

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Garrix
02.18.2012 , 04:18 AM | #590
Quote: Originally Posted by Kai-Eurah-Tird View Post
I like this game, I find the pvp tolerable.
Isn't that the problem though? Shouldn't we be asking for more than tolerable? If all we wanted was tolerable we could have saved the $ on this game and just kept resubbing to WoW! I'm not bashing you or SWTOR but just saying shouldn't the fact that the majority of PvPers want more be enough for Bioware to want to deliver more!?