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The reason I love being able to leave WZs with no penalty

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The reason I love being able to leave WZs with no penalty

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savionen
02.17.2012 , 02:45 PM | #331
Quote: Originally Posted by skyflash View Post
No the thing is that I know something you dont...

I know that you will get bored at AFKing so fast that you wont do it for long anyway. You will soon realize that AFKing is completely stupid, so you will start killing stuff and doing whatever out of boredom.

Then a few days later you will just forget that you wanted to nerd-rage-afk and will just play normally because you find out that you can actually win.

You cant screw me anyway, because I play for fun. I dont care what you are doing in my game, I will play another game where you arent there...

The funny thing is... I will not have to cope with bad players like you in all my games... but:

YOU will be in ALL YOUR games that you play.

I am sorry for you.
Then why do you care so much if people quit?

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skyflash
02.17.2012 , 02:51 PM | #332
Quote: Originally Posted by savionen View Post
Then why do you care so much if people quit?
Because if they quit, they can currently do it over and over in a short timeframe, which means they will be in ALL my games.

Also, if they quit, they level up gear faster than other people, which means its a strong incentive for people to do it more.

AFKing is totally senseless as you will not be faster, so only "special" people will do it anyway, and their numbers are low.

Quitting is BAD, AFKing is just sad.

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PlagaNerezza
02.17.2012 , 02:54 PM | #333
Quote: Originally Posted by kirorx View Post
If penalties are given then people will just hang around in the warzone semi AFK or just camp the left turret.

Some people are quitters and if they want to quit let them.

Dont force someone that has given up to continue to play while someone else is qued up back at fleet.
Not many card players or gamblers. Playing out losing hands is just stupid. It's actually a bad habit. You should leave enmass.

How else can I improve my daily win 3 totals faster?

Everyone should quit once the other team caps or steals a turret, opens a door to quickly or scores 2 huttball goals.

I know I like when the other team quits enmass and leaves some pug's undermanned.

When your republic and use to playing 3/4 odds in every fight you don't care.

Only imps care.

Been in the 50 bracket long enough. The quitters thread is overrated. Its such a nonfactor.

Except for Imperials who want to quit a match but still have to get farmed. They cannot hide and keep them precise medals.

I find it to be the best thing going for my republic toons. I can quit and not care.

It's great. If I aint feeling a group. Peace out. I'll re-que. I do it about 1 in 10 matches. Mostly due to the configuration of the pug. No heals. Or running into the all BM imp pre-made.

Hey you won. I am moving on. I'll get some crafting done. Hit Illum for a few then re-que.

I just think its silly the qqing on quitters. I don't like quitters who quit on 1 wrong turn on a match. Other team scores first in huttball. the door falls to fast on some bad luck door timer or you fall behind 2-1 on turrets to start.

Alderaan is easy. go left/right first.

If you don't get both and only 1 go for mid as point 2. No one should be trying to cap left right on alderaan, but your stealth cappers in a 50.

It's like the dumbest pug move ever. You know its instant speeder to defend the turret right? Why are you trying to cap the easy turret to defend?

If you do 2, 1, 5 you should be ensured to cap 1 turret. If you end up down right/left and have only mid...

If your against a group that wants wins over medals gl. But again most groups are farming valor. So pull defenders away by making them fight off the turret. My gunslinger is good at harasssing turret defenders and getting them to come at me.

Where you can pull them and the other team usually will try and defend that those guys as they call inc. You then try a stealth cap.

Its a brain dead map to win.

huttball is just absurd. It's really a I hope I get que'd with the good classes as my gunslinger just plain is garbage at the game. I don't have a roll in huttball.

Voidstar. Ya aoe spam the doors as a defender. Attacker kill them all then cap door. Save some area CC/roots for when your team is capping.

Sprint cap as much as possible when you get through a door.
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Celebrus
02.17.2012 , 02:54 PM | #334
Quote: Originally Posted by skyflash View Post
Because if they quit, they can currently do it over and over in a short timeframe, which means they will be in ALL my games.

Also, if they quit, they level up gear faster than other people, which means its a strong incentive for people to do it more.

AFKing is totally senseless as you will not be faster, so only "special" people will do it anyway, and their numbers are low.

Quitting is BAD, AFKing is just sad.
Afking means I don't have to be punished by playing with you and I can simultaneously get valor and comms to advance myself towards more gear.

If anything, afking makes more sense than leaving.

Once again, you have no grasp on the issues that you are trying to argue about.

I do however favor the suggestion that the asian guy in that podcast made at about 55:50.

"I do think they should have a deserter debuff and I think it should block you from having sexual relations with your companion until it wears off."

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skyflash
02.17.2012 , 02:58 PM | #335
Quote: Originally Posted by Celebrus View Post
Afking means I don't have to be punished by playing with you and I can simultaneously get valor and comms to advance myself towards more gear.

If anything, afking makes more sense than leaving.
Then why are you complaining? And why are you quitting? You should be HAPPY about the new deserter debuff, right?

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Celebrus
02.17.2012 , 03:01 PM | #336
Quote: Originally Posted by skyflash View Post
Then why are you complaining? And why are you quitting? You should be HAPPY about the new deserter debuff, right?
No, because if people have a legitimate reason for leaving, they should be allowed to.

You're not understanding me, I'm not championing the cause of people being able to leave freely because they are a BM and need wins (WHICH WILL BE CHANGING ANYHOW, SO ADDING THE DEBUFF IS VIRTUALLY POINTLESS AS BMs ARE SOME OF THE MAIN LEAVERS AND ONE OF THE MAIN CAUSES OF LEAVING IN THE GAME).

They need to fix the REASONS that people are leaving before they force people to stay, as it is, you're doing nothing but making the problem worse by forcing people to stay in a situation that they don't want to be in.

Allow us to choose Warzones.
Crack down on some of the cheating and exploits.
Get ranked WZs out as quickly as possible.

All of these things would improve the WZ situation while reducing the number of leavers in them. So many people, such as yourself, only see one route to fixing the issues, and it's usually through punishing people that aren't you. Wonder why that is.

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Ravaran
02.17.2012 , 03:07 PM | #337
Quote: Originally Posted by Celebrus View Post
No, because if people have a legitimate reason for leaving, they should be allowed to.

You're not understanding me, I'm not championing the cause of people being able to leave freely because they are a BM and need wins (WHICH WILL BE CHANGING ANYHOW, SO ADDING THE DEBUFF IS VIRTUALLY POINTLESS AS BMs ARE SOME OF THE MAIN LEAVERS AND ONE OF THE MAIN CAUSES OF LEAVING IN THE GAME).

They need to fix the REASONS that people are leaving before they force people to stay, as it is, you're doing nothing but making the problem worse by forcing people to stay in a situation that they don't want to be in.

Allow us to choose Warzones.
Crack down on some of the cheating and exploits.
Get ranked WZs out as quickly as possible.

All of these things would improve the WZ situation while reducing the number of leavers in them. So many people, such as yourself, only see one route to fixing the issues, and it's usually through punishing people that aren't you. Wonder why that is.
^^^well said, I agree

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skyflash
02.17.2012 , 03:09 PM | #338
Quote: Originally Posted by Celebrus View Post
No, because if people have a legitimate reason for leaving, they should be allowed to.

So many people, such as yourself, only see one route to fixing the issues, and it's usually through punishing people that aren't you. Wonder why that is.
You can still leave if you have a legitimate issue, what is the problem with a deserter debuff?

Actually its punishing me as well, I have the same D/C issues and AFK detection loading screen issues like everyone else.

But I know that punishing is the only solution, so it has to be punishing.

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Celebrus
02.17.2012 , 03:12 PM | #339
Quote: Originally Posted by skyflash View Post
You can still leave if you have a legitimate issue, what is the problem with a deserter debuff?

Actually its punishing me as well, I have the same D/C issues and AFK detection loading screen issues like everyone else.

But I know that punishing is the only solution, so it has to be punishing.
You're pretty good at snipping a bite of a post, ignoring the meat, and focusing on whatever words make you the most incensed.

You're obviously wrong, and you know it, which is why you can't even address the parts of my posts that really matter.

Thank you for proving my point, now run along and find another issue to rage over.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tdain View Post
As the title says - Bioware told me to leave losing WZ's... As a Battlemaster, their system wants me to focus on wins and losses, nothing else. No use for commendations, no use for valor, etc... All they want me to focus on is completing the daily and weekly, which only means winning.

The positive aspect of this design is that I always focus on winning and not maximizing commendations and valor like they told me to do before Rank 60. Post rank 60, I only focus on winning. But if it's clear that my team is going to lose or I enter a match already down 2-0 for example, Bioware wants me to leave ASAP and requeue (no penalty for leaving of course).

So, I play the game they have designed and do my best to win and leave a WZ that looks like an incoming loss and requeue because that's what Bioware tells me to do.
I just wanted to add that on.

Bioware is the reason we have leavers, not personality disorders, not a lack of "honor" (lmfao, honor in a video game?) and certainly not some tin foil hat conspiracy devised to ruin all of your games. It's the game's design, deal with it and stop lashing out at other players for "revenge" like this is a damn soap opera.

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skyflash
02.17.2012 , 03:25 PM | #340
Quote: Originally Posted by Celebrus View Post
Bioware is the reason we have leavers, not personality disorders, not a lack of "honor" (lmfao, honor in a video game?) and certainly not some tin foil hat conspiracy devised to ruin all of your games. It's the game's design, deal with it and stop lashing out at other players for "revenge" like this is a damn soap opera.
That simply is not true.

Even after players are full T3 and have their full equipment they are still leaving games.

Thats the same argumentation like: "No judge, there was this money lieing around, I just had to take it."

Don't deny responsibility for your actions, makes you look even worse.