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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

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_Marou_
02.16.2012 , 05:19 PM | #911
Quote: Originally Posted by Woocam View Post
I do agree with having a expertise shut off bracket. That would be great.
Why stop at expertise? Just have the /gear is irrelevent/ bracket and the /standard/ bracket. Then PvP queues pop quick cause anyone can compete in them. Progression players can farm the standard bracket, people like me who just game for fun can play in the /irrelevent/ bracket. Everyone is happy.

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Noctournys
02.16.2012 , 05:24 PM | #912
Quote: Originally Posted by _Marou_ View Post
Why stop at expertise? Just have the /gear is irrelevent/ bracket and the /standard/ bracket. Then PvP queues pop quick cause anyone can compete in them. Progression players can farm the standard bracket, people like me who just game for fun can play in the /irrelevent/ bracket. Everyone is happy.
If you want a game where progression doesn't matter, quit playing RPGs.

Shooters are what you're looking for, if you can find one without progression nowadays.

Good luck with that, btw.

This is a progression based game. Asking them to suddenly make it not a progression based game to suit a tiny minority is absurd.

You knew what you were getting into ahead of time unless you deliberately didnt do any research on the game at all.
entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
Also, 'cause im tired of talking about it:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...222960&page=11

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L-RANDLE
02.16.2012 , 05:25 PM | #913
Quote: Originally Posted by _Marou_ View Post
I rolled an alt, ironically most of the good pvpers on my server are just capping a bunch of toons so the 10-49 bracket is full of familiar legacy names and highly competitive matches. However, stat balanced pvp with everyone having all abilities/talents (level 50) would be the best of both worlds; and would be by far the best PvP experience SWTOR could offer me.

There is a power gap in 10-49 based on # talent points spent and gear level/current player level, but it's inconsequential compared to the level 50 raid/BM gear vs level 50 scrub geared.

I'm not here to say they need to throw out the baby with the bathwater in as much as I feel like the 50 PvP has failed me, and want to see something more entertaining to *ME* in it's place. I know alot of people like the progression based PvP WoW introduced, but that was something that drove me away from WoW (get all gear=easy wins=bored), and will just end up boring the crap out of me here. I'm not alone in my dislike for this PvP model.
Ok, at least you admit, that it is not about facerolling. You are the only one to admit that lvl 49 should and do have advantages over a lvl10 in the "balanced" bracket. I would debate your statement of inconsequntial, but it's a start....

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_Marou_
02.16.2012 , 05:33 PM | #914
Quote: Originally Posted by Noctournys View Post
If you want a game where progression doesn't matter, quit playing RPGs.

Shooters are what you're looking for, if you can find one without progression nowadays.

Good luck with that, btw.

This is a progression based game. Asking them to suddenly make it not a progression based game to suit a tiny minority is absurd.

You knew what you were getting into ahead of time unless you deliberately didnt do any research on the game at all.
You mean asking them to suddenly add an *OPTION* that gives *ZERO REWARDS* and costs them little to implement but could save *THOUSANDS OF SUBS* is absurd. You didn't go to business school, huh?

Also, going from 49-50 is regression. Because you are going from hitting other level 49 players for alot of damage to hitting other level 50 players for very little damage. I had 1000/1000 comms from level 25 up. If I could have hoarded my entire stash full of champion bags I probably wouldn't have any complaints because Bioware would have given me an option to do what I like (PvP) and have have some semblance of balance throughout the entire experience (10-50). Instead you hit 50 and even if you saved up, your character is complete crap compared to the people who have been that level for awhile. So, drag your team down for weeks until you gear up? Have who wins be decided by whose team is the most weighted down with good gear? Stupid design for PvP.

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ZNICK
02.16.2012 , 05:38 PM | #915
Quote: Originally Posted by Torleen View Post
The grind olympics? Is that something you want to be remembered for? You were better at wasting more time in your life then someone else so you "win"?
It's called PRACTICE... and is the basis for almost anyone successful in most any of life's endeavors.

You put in more time, you get better skilled and get better stuff. That's life, deal with it.

Z
You don't stop playing games when you get old... you get old when you stop playing games!

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_Marou_
02.16.2012 , 05:50 PM | #916
Quote: Originally Posted by L-RANDLE View Post
Ok, at least you admit, that it is not about facerolling. You are the only one to admit that lvl 49 should and do have advantages over a lvl10 in the "balanced" bracket. I would debate your statement of inconsequntial, but it's a start....

Allow me to elaborate. Which is easy because I just re-entered the 10-49 bracket on my alt last night.

If I'm level 15, and I'm fighting a *bad* well geared 40+, I will win; if barely.
If I'm fighting a decent well geared 40+, I will do significant damage and probably die.
If I'm fighting a player as good or better than I am and well geared 40+, I will do some damage and surely die.

In the 50 bracket.

If I'm fighting a *bad* geared up player that only uses 1 button, I will surely lose; if barely.
If I'm fighting a decent geared up player, I will do a little damage and surely die.
If I'm fighting a player as good or better than I am, I will do completely inconsequential damage and die in seconds.

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So, when I say the gap is inconsequential in the lower BG's, that's the elaboration I meant. I can still have plenty of fun in the 10-49 with gaps, not so much in the 50 bracket. You'd expect this type of inaccessibility in a game with like 27 tiers of crap, such as WoW. You don't expect it in a brand new game like SWTOR.

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Noctournys
02.16.2012 , 06:35 PM | #917
Quote: Originally Posted by _Marou_ View Post
You mean asking them to suddenly add an *OPTION* that gives *ZERO REWARDS* and costs them little to implement but could save *THOUSANDS OF SUBS* is absurd. You didn't go to business school, huh?
Actually, yeah. I've taken business classes. Any supposed benefit from saving a tiny number of subs is offset (and moreso) by the further fracturing of the pool of players.

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Also, going from 49-50 is regression. Because you are going from hitting other level 49 players for alot of damage to hitting other level 50 players for very little damage. I had 1000/1000 comms from level 25 up. If I could have hoarded my entire stash full of champion bags I probably wouldn't have any complaints because Bioware would have given me an option to do what I like (PvP) and have have some semblance of balance throughout the entire experience (10-50). Instead you hit 50 and even if you saved up, your character is complete crap compared to the people who have been that level for awhile. So, drag your team down for weeks until you gear up? Have who wins be decided by whose team is the most weighted down with good gear? Stupid design for PvP.
The gear gap simply isnt that big. Stop PvPing in level 40 questing greens - there is simply no excuse, of any kind, not to be in rating 124 purple in every single slot the same day you hit level 50.
entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
Also, 'cause im tired of talking about it:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...222960&page=11

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Wyrdstar
02.16.2012 , 07:08 PM | #918
Quote: Originally Posted by Noctournys View Post
Actually, yeah. I've taken business classes. Any supposed benefit from saving a tiny number of subs is offset (and moreso) by the further fracturing of the pool of players.



The gear gap simply isnt that big. Stop PvPing in level 40 questing greens - there is simply no excuse, of any kind, not to be in rating 124 purple in every single slot the same day you hit level 50.
"Tiny'?

Where do you get the term tiny from? Is there some kind of statistical break down from a credible source floating around somewhere? Curious...

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bejay
02.17.2012 , 06:45 PM | #919
I hit 50 yesterday on my trooper and the whole time i was lvling the pvp was mad fun because you do damage when you hit som1 and i could hold off 3-4 ppl before dieing until back up arrived but now in the 50 bracket and im doing very little damage while my health is going down faster then i can get all my attacks off,it is seriosly frustrating and yes i saved for my 5 bags plus the 1 i already had and my gear is ok for a fresh 50.
ill stick it out for a few days until i cant stand the frustration anymore then ill reroll and have some fun because thats why we play games not to be farmed by geared players.
All we need is some way to ease the gear gap a little maybe craftable pvp gear kinda like the blues you can make in wow or even have 2 lvl 50 brackets, have 1 with an expertise cap of say 200ish(so the PVE`ers dont own every1) and the second 200+ expertise.
Anyways im off to get my a*s handed to me for awhile lol.
i no i no i cant spel and me grama suks but i d`ont give a _ _ _ _!!!

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Tyranoc
02.19.2012 , 03:59 AM | #920
Quote: Originally Posted by bejay View Post
I hit 50 yesterday on my trooper and the whole time i was lvling the pvp was mad fun because you do damage when you hit som1 and i could hold off 3-4 ppl before dieing until back up arrived but now in the 50 bracket and im doing very little damage while my health is going down faster then i can get all my attacks off,it is seriosly frustrating and yes i saved for my 5 bags plus the 1 i already had and my gear is ok for a fresh 50.
ill stick it out for a few days until i cant stand the frustration anymore then ill reroll and have some fun because thats why we play games not to be farmed by geared players.
All we need is some way to ease the gear gap a little maybe craftable pvp gear kinda like the blues you can make in wow or even have 2 lvl 50 brackets, have 1 with an expertise cap of say 200ish(so the PVE`ers dont own every1) and the second 200+ expertise.
Anyways im off to get my a*s handed to me for awhile lol.
Everyone goes through that when they hit 50. Simply giving up is weak.
When you progress from primary school to middle school you once again become bottom of the food chain. From middle school to high school you are once again bottom of the food chain. First year college/university... Once again bottom of the food chain.

You are the fresh meat. Earn your place rather than just expecting to be the CEO of the company as soon as you walk in.

Behaviour like this differentiates the adults from the children.

If you give up this easy in a game I'd hate to see how patheticly weak your life is. Its called willpower and a spine. Try and find some.

People on this thread are such cry babies because they were the bi bad schoolyard bullies in 10-49... Now they are in the big bad wolrd and realising they werent so crash hot after all.