What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

Exactly. Bioware obviously cares enough about PvP to have a PvP team, forums, and server rulesets. Huge power disparities based on grinding time in scenario based PvP are no fun *FOR MOST PEOPLE*. Whether they are on the dying in 2 seconds end of it, or the killing in 2 seconds end of it.

Gear power disparities in scenario/team based PvP:

1) Frustrate and drive away Bioware's casual bread and butter.
2) Drastically reduce the number of competitive matches, making it boring for people who PvP for the fun of PvP, instead of for gear.
3) Make a huge percentage of games foregone conclusions before the wait timer ends. (eg. 6/10 of our team have 12k hp, we lose).

No this is not a prison, you always have the option to reroll or quit. If you have been around said block, you would know that PvP in RPG's blow, so why buy it?


You also want to marginalize other players efforts to appease yourself. You want to be "Plug and Play, MMORPG" when the primary function of an RPG is progression.

No..... I don't want to compete in grinding. I want to see if I can compete with other players with my 50 toon, and all of my abilities available. I want to faceroll (which you guys fully admit is possible with same geared players) and win as much as possible in PvP (that's my fun). I can't do that very well with the given rules BW has set up, so I grind (also how exactly do you compete for something that is infinite and available to everyone? Is there really competition to that? YEAH BABY!!! I OUT GRINDED UR AZZ.... I GOT MY STUFF BEFORE YOU.... I'M SO LEET..... YEAH......).

I think the 1-49 PvP bracket teaches us that people need to start saving up their commendations so that if they're actually serious about PvPing, they an start off buying 6 bags, getting 90 centurion commendations, 42 champion commendations, and at least 3 pieces of gear from that right off from the start.

Then, they should do their weeklies and get another 8 bags, 120 centurion commendations, and 56 more champion commendations, a few more pieces of gear, have about 400 expertise, and stop crying about how squishy they are in PvP because guess what? They won't be.

We worked for our gear, so should they.

I'm fine with that. Have the "normal" bracket as is, and the *don't care about rewards * "practice mode" if you want to. Let me opt into the one that doesn't receive rewards and just gets to play the game. You can faceroll me every once in awhile when I get a hair up my butt and feel like seeing how the normal bracket is looking, and in the interim the outcome of every game I play is unknown until the match actually ends.

For the record I did save up 1000/1000 comms and hit 50 at valor level 44 with all level 49-50 sockets/gear. It's still no good, and is vastly less fun than hitting the 10-49 brackets with a level 10 character in greens.

So why not reroll or do you want to keep your high level abilities?

You can think level 10 in greens is way better than lvl 50 in purples, but what's the difference? You're still going to get rolled. If you beat a level 30 or 40 as level 10, they're just terrible. You could similarly beat a BM player who is terrible.

There's no difference. People who hate the lvl 50 bracket just don't like that it's a gear grind, and pugging it means taking a lot of dumb losses. You don't have to face that fact in the 10-49 bracket. If you get beaten at level 10 you can just chalk it up to having less abilities. The fact is, you just don't like the end game grind for gear. It's fine, it's not for everyone. Just don't fool yourself into thinking there's something objectively different.

I rolled an alt, ironically most of the good pvpers on my server are just capping a bunch of toons so the 10-49 bracket is full of familiar legacy names and highly competitive matches. However, stat balanced pvp with everyone having all abilities/talents (level 50) would be the best of both worlds; and would be by far the best PvP experience SWTOR could offer me.

There is a power gap in 10-49 based on # talent points spent and gear level/current player level, but it's inconsequential compared to the level 50 raid/BM gear vs level 50 scrub geared.

I'm not here to say they need to throw out the baby with the bathwater in as much as I feel like the 50 PvP has failed me, and want to see something more entertaining to *ME* in it's place. I know alot of people like the progression based PvP WoW introduced, but that was something that drove me away from WoW (get all gear=easy wins=bored), and will just end up boring the crap out of me here. I'm not alone in my dislike for this PvP model.

Stop right there....PvE is a grind? This game was sooooo easy to level in. There were many times when I had to train for 2-3 levels of abilities because I would level so fast before I went back to trainers. I'm talking about 20-40 leveling and not the the 1-20.

I do agree with having a expertise shut off bracket. That would be great.

Also add, don't scream "nerf PvP BM gear" and that gear is a "crutch" for bad players, when the same gear is also your crutch because you have it.