The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

It's just that the OP has tailored this thread to a spec that can get most of the Sorcerer CC, and has even had it's title changed to suit it better. However, we have even had lore arguments in this thread so don't think you're the first. =P I just figured I'd point out to him why you're mentioning abilities outside of the spec that this thread was intended for.

Are you going to ever post anything relevant or just continue chiming in like this?

This is a fair argument if that was also the case the other way around; how much timing and skills does it take for you to kill someone?

/blodtann

My biggest gripe about sorcs is that pretty much everyone plays them now. It's common to see 4+ sorcs in every wz. Yesterday in wz was idiotic; 6 sorcs on the opposing teams. Worst loss we had was sorcs with these numbers;
-500k dmg, 100k heals
-400k dmg, 75k heals
-330k dmg, 30k heals

We had 1 kill combined. I did 330k dmg with 0 kills. Did we suck? Not really. It's just impossible to kill sorc heavy teams. All of them have bubbles all the time. They all heal each other. Focusing on 1 target cannot take them down because they heal each other.

Why should I play my class which cannot heal, does less damage than a sorc and is way more squishy? This is the real question. There is really no compelling argument to NOT play a sorc; you get it all with no penalties.

This is the issue which needs to be addressed.

/blodtann

Ok so after being part of the original thread, and reading this entire new thread I see one reoccurring/dominant argument made in favor of Socs being working as intended.

"Well, once you interrupt them they can't do anything and become uber vunerable."

So two questions:

1. If i am a melee character with an interrupt that only works when I am in melee range, how am i supposed to interrupt you when i am chain CC'D/slowed at range? (btw I've already hit my CC break skill)

2. Once I get to you and interrupt force lighting, do you seriously have nothing else you can do to create distance, defend yourself, or dmg me with?

Being chain cced isn't just one class that means multiple people are attacking you. That has nothing to do with individual class balance.

In a nutshell you shouldn't be charging 3-4 guys by yourself anyway.

Just like the Shadow gameplay nerf, I feel nerfs should affect damage output strictly. The game was intentionally designed with innovation in mind (at least, I hope this is the case when BW created the possibility of having hybrid specs). WoW eliminated this completely because balancing it was a nightmare. You are now forced to put in X amount of points in order to open the next tree.

Following BWs logic of allowing Hybrid builds/gameplay/styleplay, I felt that a few nerfs were unjustified, and will continue opposing these suggested types of changes (removing CCs, removing utility, removing buttons essentially).

I play both a shadow and a sage. I also play a couple of other alts regular (sentinel and commando).

The #1 thing I want in this game in terms of class balance is NOT removing hybrid and class utilities. For example, I would have much rather had BW nerf Shadow DAMAGE while in combat stance. So rather than -5%, I would have preferred them trying 10%, or 15%. Instead, they nerfed the damage by making the class incredibly clunky to play in tank stance (for those that care, Project now costs double in combat stance while infiltration spec'ed). The real issue for Shadows/Assassins is that you need to trade MITIGATION for DAMAGE. This is a constantly evolving thing in an MMO. It also is highly dependant on gear, understanding how your stats work together, and understanding when/how to use what's available to you. Instead, it was taken away completely (pretty much) and replaced with "unfun".

I would rather nerf the damage on telekinetic wave and force in balance than take away the CCs/AOE Roots/Stuns.

Following this line of logic, I also feel Sorcerers/Sages do too MUCH damage when in large groups. With 1 person doing damage, Sage damage is manageable compared to other classes. Both Shadow and Guardian are capable of putting out more burst (different types of damage for different classes, it's acceptable). However, when there's 3 sages, what ends up happening is the GROUP BURST phenomenon. 1 Sage could do 4-7k damage amongst 3-5 people. 3 sages would be doing 15 (probably within 2-3 GCDs of each other) to 3-5 people at once. This is my concern in a warzone considering how small some of them are designed (Voidstar comes to mind).

This is my opinion on this matter, and I more than welcome criticism. But I am against anything that CHANGES a class by removing the utilities which make it fun/important in PvP. In short, I would prefer the nerf come in the form of AOE damage (FIB and TKW) moreso than its CC/utility, which is an important role Sages/Sorc play for their teammates.

Between a stun, mez, and blind on knockback/bubbleburst you can keep somebody stunned, mezzed, rooted or blinded for literally 30+ seconds out of a minute with 1 sorcerer... and snare them for the other 30 seconds.

After you mez resolve bar is full. If the player isn't stupid then they will just kill you after you mez them and not waste their free cc break to get out of it.

Almost everyone who complains about another class being is OP is the same guy who doesn't know how to play his class or counter other ones. I've yet to see a valid argument against classes being truly "OP".

OP= Paladins one shotting people with judgements.

OP does not = somone being able to kite another class and kill them.

Depends on the type of melee you are.
Assassin's dont have any problems sticking to a target, because we have the same utility as our sister AC.
I have seen and played against maruaders that rip Sorcs/sages to shreads and I have seen and played against Operatives that Lolspank Sorcs/sages. I think it depends on the situation and time.
For example your probably not going to win against any class without your CC break when they have theirs + CC available.
And your definitely not going to win when you start a fight with a ranged character as a melee...at ranged. With no LoS around.
As a 31 balance sage you wouldnt stay at melee range longer than 3 seconds if you dont have a way to lock me down.
operatives and assassins do this without effort.
Murauders can do it, but they have to work a little harder to do so.

Or you could roll a Vanguard or Powertech and laugh at the entire game as you tank and burst your way through everyone