Damage Meters

I agree wholeheartedly. A personal damage log/dps meter is fine. Let's just avoid instituting a tool for arbitrary exclusion.

Maybe he didn't quite understand how maximizing ones contribution in a raid is 'lazy', as you said. I'm speaking as a former feral druid, which has traditionally been fairly intense. They have a priority system that requires information from literally 3 places in the default UI, and the mod I had brought them all into an adjustable window I could position next to myself.

Actually I'm having a hard time with it too.

WoW's default ui is gosh darned terrible. SWTOR I'm not so happy with either, because all my damn buttons are blue with a yellow light saber on it.



BTW I don't really suggest using mods that 'suggest' the next ability you press if you already have a good handle on it. I can see them aiding an average or below player, but if you have poor reflexes or latency you're somewhat boned.

Start your own raid. Tada.

What they'll do is post in chat who had the highest to stroke their e-peen.

Damage meters, gearscore, mods that tell you where to stand, what move is coming next ect are about the only things i could name that would result in my sub being cancelled.

You dont need a damage meter to know if you are contributing to a raid and especially in a guild raid situation each person should carry a personal responsibility to improve and maximise their play so having some arbitrary system to check it isnt necessary.

Also, such meters encourage the mentality of "X Y Z is best" and essentially kills the game for anyone who doesnt want to be a sheep. It still kills me that people ask questions such as "what is the best class for <insert>" "what spec is the best for <insert whatever>" - I remember the days when you built your own template and found your own DPS chains ect. What ever happened to experimenting?

Lets leave a tiny bit of "magic" in these games please, jheez, they have already become so linear and prescriptive over the last 5 or so years as it is.

All of that being said, we need combat logs so that people can actually take personal responsibility for improving their own performance.

Or to berate then kick the poor guy who had a cat jump on his keyboard mid-fight, whose mouse batteries died, or who hasn't already done the fight to the point of sleepwalking and vendoring the drops.

hopefully GW2 will be out by then and i wont be here when the WoW scrubs start stroking each others epeens with their l33t dps.

go back to WoW

True, but given that I'm a healer, that point isn't entirely applicable to my own place in the raid. What I would give my left arm for is the ability to see why we're not meeting the enrage or have actual data to explain what's going on with the heals.

I'm in a mediocre guild with mediocre players and I play the bottom of the barrel of healers, the operative. When the other healer (usually a sorc) is sub-par, I REALLY notice the difference in healing. However, I cannot bring this up with the other healer or with the raid leader because I have no data upon which to base my claims. There is absolutely nothing I can do about the situation except hope that it gets better on its own. Otherwise I could just try and find another guild that is doing better, but most don't want operative healers for nightmare mode content.

Right now, given that I cannot analyze data from the combat log in order to help the raid improve as a whole, I can only just sit there and do my best as a healer and hope that somehow those that are holding us back magically improve. =(

MaxDPS.com

Tells you everything you need to know to max out any class and any spec.

No need for a meter anymore.

Any changes, give the site a few days and it will be updated.

No need for anyone to use a meter in game.

And that affects your ability to play how? It doesn't.

Not that I agree with the e-peen stroking, but it really has no effect on anything, whereas not having access to any of these metrics really does hurt a raids ability to progress.

And unfortunate aspect of that system.

I enjoyed combat logs in other MMOs. They helped me fix anything i might have been doing wrong, and it was fun to try and compete with others. Right now, the problems with successful NM runs aren't directly tied to max dps or heals, but the individual players' ability to react appropriately to events: moving away from ground indicators, quickly getting out of gravity wells, staying out of frontal conal areas; the list goes on. All those factors are as important or more important than top dps or heals. Meters won't be able to account for that unless they were complex enough to correlate events with dmg taken, dps, hps, in a timeline format.

I forgot where I was going with this.

tl;dr; I support the non-elitist proactive use of parsers.