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Do not roll "Need" for companion gear.

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Do not roll "Need" for companion gear.
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Shaligal
02.16.2012 , 06:53 AM | #811
Quote: Originally Posted by Feignz View Post
I still only roll Need for Consular gear if there are no other Consulars in the group, but at the same time, it is for my companion really. I also wear some bad armor on the slot that i know drops in the FP, before my pugs inspect me. That way they think i'm rolling for myself so they don't get mad.
I dont see a problem at all to roll for a Consular item if there isnt any other Consular in the group. And i will add more, i dont see a problem at all if there is another Consular in the party but he doesnt need it.

Anyway, if you think that Nadia is happy, you have a problem XD

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RWitteveen
02.16.2012 , 06:55 AM | #812
Iam no expert on the rolling system..

I normally only need on a items if it directly increases my stats
etc and i can use it on my own character , ive never rolled for a item
for my companion normally if possible i filter down items and or
create or buy them for companion.. but yeah i think using
common sence and asking for need for companion makes sence
there will always be ninja's though unless they can improve
the rolling system..

How often ive come accros a chest guarded by a elite
mob.. fighting it just so someone else cna run up and
steal the chest.. , i wish they would lock the chest
and put a key or something on the elite mob
guarding it so the one(s) fighting it will only have acces to it
after the fight.

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msdixi
02.16.2012 , 06:56 AM | #813
Quote: Originally Posted by Feignz View Post
I also wear some bad armor on the slot that i know drops in the FP, before my pugs inspect me. That way they think i'm rolling for myself so they don't get mad.
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evil-bob
02.16.2012 , 07:26 AM | #814
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
EDIT: I realize that my original post is unnecessarily confrontational, and has ignited a pointless debate, so I will re-state the original (which follows below).


Dear People who are New to Need/Greed:

IF you roll "Need" on a drop that your character can't use, but other people in the group can, you run the risk of being booted from the group, being /ignored, and generally, lessening your chances of finding a decent group going forward. That is the sizable risk you take by rolling "Need" on gear your character can't equip, when there is another character in the group who CAN equip it.

IF you do this, some people will perceive you to be: a) a ninja, b) a selfish person, and/or c)
a person to avoid in the future.

Just a friendly word to people who are new to the Need/Greed system.



Original post follows:


Do not roll "Need" for companion gear.

Period.

It's bad enough that some people think it is ok to roll Need on gear for their companions while other people who can use the gear are in your group.

What's worse is that the game allows this.

If you EVER roll Need on gear for your comp when someone of that class is in your group, you are a greedy, selfish person who is ruining someone else's experience.

Need for companions = Need for alts


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All of this is wrong.

The truth is - as has been stated a billion times - do not enter a group until you have established clear need/greed rules.

Communication is right. Enforcing your own social standards on others through intimidation is wrong.
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Undorett
02.16.2012 , 07:28 AM | #815
Quote: Originally Posted by DamionSchubert View Post
Need vs. greed isn't as simple in our game because of companions, as well as Orange Gear and mod extraction.

We will probably limit the 'need' button to only people who match the primary class the gear is meant for, and add a new button in between need and greed for players to choose if they intend the gear for these purposes - this will allow CC users to roll against each other without competing with the guy who wants to sell the gear for credits.

I don't have a timeline on this for you guys right now, though - certainly not in the next major patch. In the meantime, I strongly recommend that players who care clearly decide the expected need/greed role behaviors ('no companion need rolling or you're out!') when a group is initially formed. In the meantime, I'll work on getting this feature in the works.
I am sorry, but I do not see how someone's "need" for a companion character should outweigh another person's "need" to sell the item to buy themselves stims. Groups and players should decide what is a "need" and what is a "greed" for themselves. Adding a new button and taking away the ability to click "need" on an item is fail IMO. If you do this, you need to add in a 1hr - 24hr time window where items can be traded among the group members that were in the group when the kill happened (24 hour time window for trading items is available in other games and has solved a lot of loot problems).

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Concession
02.16.2012 , 09:45 AM | #816
@OP

This is a MCPS not a SCPS

no one will be able to stop you from beign a theif
There is no community in a themepark game


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Setanian
02.16.2012 , 11:06 AM | #817
Quote: Originally Posted by msdixi View Post
I so totally agree.
Companions are not playing with the group and are not entitled to Need roll as these companions do not benefit the group.
No the companion is not rolling nor playing. The character is playing and rolling. That you got to the roll part means you all succeeded in downing the mob. Each player is entitled to roll.

That's the facts. Where you make the mistake is in the part where you think your opinion of what each player should roll. Your opinion does not count. it is none of your business. You get to roll, so do the other players. That's all you need to know and care about.

Quote: Originally Posted by msdixi View Post
Greed is the category for this.
Again, this is your opinion. Do not force it on others.


Quote: Originally Posted by msdixi View Post
It totally boggles my mind how (as happened to me) a tank can see that I, as a sage, need willpower items for my character and yet he rolls need for whatever purpose.
Maybe he needed it for his healer companion? Did you get to roll on the item? Did you win it? If not, then that's that. What more do you want?

Quote: Originally Posted by msdixi View Post
One person told me, I need it to sell it for credits.
While the 'need' may be valid, I'm sure it would not be 'right'. Credits are easy to get.
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DarthTHC
02.16.2012 , 11:08 AM | #818
I guess I've been lucky. People in my groups watch for everyone to roll greed or pass, then they ask if they can need it for companion. The answer is universally "Yes".

It's nice that they ask first. It seems to make the whole group happier, and that's always a good thing when trying to work together to finish a FP or Op.

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Kindara
02.16.2012 , 11:15 AM | #819
Quote: Originally Posted by Feignz View Post
I do now roll Need for my companion. I play a Shadow Tank and use Nadia as my main companion. HM FPs can't give me an upgrade anymore. They can, however, upgrade a few slots on Nadia and therefore build up my DPS gear-set as well should i want to switch to DPS. Is this not fair? What if i wanted to change to DPS? If i was playing DPS in stead of Tank, would that make it fair? What's the difference?

I still only roll Need for Consular gear if there are no other Consulars in the group, but at the same time, it is for my companion really. I also wear some bad armor on the slot that i know drops in the FP, before my pugs inspect me. That way they think i'm rolling for myself so they don't get mad.

They're not mad. They couldn't use it for themselves anyway. I'm happy. Nadia's happy. I build my DPS set. Everyone's happy!
...Why dont you just try being honest with them ... because trust me people will figure it out and you know what...they will black list you.


Honesty is the best policy just ask if you can roll for your companion on some stuff people tend to not mind if your up front with them unless your taking gear from someone in the group.

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Setanian
02.16.2012 , 11:18 AM | #820
Quote: Originally Posted by DamionSchubert View Post
Need vs. greed isn't as simple in our game because of companions, as well as Orange Gear and mod extraction.

We will probably limit the 'need' button to only people who match the primary class the gear is meant for, and add a new button in between need and greed for players to choose if they intend the gear for these purposes - this will allow CC users to roll against each other without competing with the guy who wants to sell the gear for credits.

I don't have a timeline on this for you guys right now, though - certainly not in the next major patch. In the meantime, I strongly recommend that players who care clearly decide the expected need/greed role behaviors ('no companion need rolling or you're out!') when a group is initially formed. In the meantime, I'll work on getting this feature in the works.
You know, I've worked in software development for some 30 years. I've never heard of this idea where-by you get something so blatantly wrong, and instead of fixing it, like that players of the non-matching class just cannot press the need button, you actually add another button.

If a PM brought this to me in my office, I'd fire him/her.
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