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Vydor_HC
02.16.2012 , 11:05 AM | #281
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
Yes, implying that having it on the test server should satisfy everyone. I don't agree. I've cited 4 or 5 things recently that aren't satisfied by that, and then one example in specific directly in response to your claim.

I didn't mention kicking or dead weight anywhere in there. Which is why I said that your response to it didn't seem to have anything to do with the quoted text.

Pretending that I did say anything about kicking people from groups... well, on that path, the strawman argument lies.

Ability to gain the knowledge about what is going wrong in a fight; specifically, which players are having problems with it. Seems pretty specific to me...
-nods-

You quoted me, and expected me to remember all the things you were saying in the thread. Then went on about specifics, where there are none in your initial quote to me. So, I stated what I think was what people wanted to use the tool for. You have in your mind something else, but you did not express it in your quote. So stop arguing about me not being a mind reader, that has no bearing here.

If you want to argue some specifics, then annotate them out for me and we can discuss them.

Edit: I never stated you said people wanted to kick others, since you had no specifics, I inferred that from my knowledge of the subject.

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Nighthawked
02.16.2012 , 11:05 AM | #282
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
There's really no such thing; generally there are priority systems, not perfect rotations (due to proc based abilities)

Yes.
Yes there is, I have looked it up on WoW. They tell you use ability X, then Y, then Z, back at X when cooldown is done, and so on....

They usually list it as Death Knight Blood Spec Damage Guide or something.

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sharkfinsix
02.16.2012 , 11:05 AM | #283
I would think the scoreboard idea some people are touting for after flash points and ops is a good compromise between both camps. Also i see no reasont o not add a meter / target dummy inside the guild capital ships or your personal ship, make it something you buy for ship as an addon.

I personally don't care either way. I do prefer not to have to add 3rd party crap to my system that breaks every patch, i wanna play after patches, not update addons ...so my only thing is if damage parsers / meters are added, please make it part of the actual ingame UI straight from bioware.

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sharkfinsix
02.16.2012 , 11:07 AM | #284
Quote: Originally Posted by Nighthawked View Post
Yes there is, I have looked it up on WoW. They tell you use ability X, then Y, then Z, back at X when cooldown is done, and so on....

They usually list it as Death Knight Blood Spec Damage Guide or something.
once addons and macros are added, the priority proccing abilities get rolled into a main skill / proc skill 1 button and let the rotations begin.

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ironix
02.16.2012 , 11:08 AM | #285
Quote: Originally Posted by Morpholinium View Post
After all, players who are being "carried" are pretty apparent to anyone paying attention anyway.
How? Are they running around in circles going "dur dur dur!" while dancing or something?
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freekyjason
02.16.2012 , 11:08 AM | #286
DPS meters are for folk too lazy to use their own brains to figure out whether their skill usage is actually funa and entertaining. instead they need a tool to tell them that they are now officially at work and no longer in a gaming world.

this tool they can then use to point fingers at others who were assured they were in a game and enjoyment could ensue, only to find that no, lo and behold they are in a serious situation that needs full attention on the screen where macros and scripts and meters can tell them exactly what buttons to push at exactly what time so they dont cause others to lose their jobs.

TL;DR

stop being so lazy :/
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ironix
02.16.2012 , 11:13 AM | #287
Quote: Originally Posted by freekyjason View Post
DPS meters are for folk too lazy to use their own brains to figure out whether their skill usage is actually funa and entertaining. instead they need a tool to tell them that they are now officially at work and no longer in a gaming world.

this tool they can then use to point fingers at others who were assured they were in a game and enjoyment could ensue, only to find that no, lo and behold they are in a serious situation that needs full attention on the screen where macros and scripts and meters can tell them exactly what buttons to push at exactly what time so they dont cause others to lose their jobs.

TL;DR

stop being so lazy :/
No words to describe the logical fallacies...
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Amyiss
02.16.2012 , 11:13 AM | #288
That was a lot of text to justify being an unlikable twit.

Damage meters have their uses, but seeing as this community can't act like adults with the limited tools they have, I'm not going to advocate giving them more ways to be childish.

Yesterday I went on the Jedi Knight forums to see if anyone had built a class guide yet (I've been using one elsewhere) to see if there was consensus on proper rotation and spec, and instead I found threads about how 'If you can't magically figure it out on your own, you suck and we hate you'.

Yeah I *really* want those people to have damage meters, too.

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freekyjason
02.16.2012 , 11:16 AM | #289
Quote: Originally Posted by ironix View Post
No words to describe the logical fallacies...
lazy much? cant help you sorry. the logical fallacies you see are maybe your own inadequacies in life to actually enjoy something that is meant as ENTERTAINMENT, not a job.

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Entropicus
02.16.2012 , 11:17 AM | #290
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I want to know not only how much more effective i can be but meters will also reveal any talent bugs and class imbalances.
Make it for personal use and not spammable or maybe an oPtion for the group leader to prevent their use in that group.
Just give us the option!
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