Damage Meters

Ah, you stated "what people want to use it for"...which from reading this thread and threads about this topic in the past, that is one of the ways people use meters..to make sure they are not "carrying" dead weight in a group.

I gave a specific example of what someone (say, myself) would want from it that has nothing to do kicking people or dead weight...and then pointed out that, because of that specific example, there are legitimate reasons for people to want it on the live servers...

So if you want talk about kicking people from groups, you should probably respond to the people who are in favor of that, and maybe quote them talking about it, instead of someone who's not talking about that...

Ok, my thoughts on something like this:

DPS tools for personal, "just my character I'm playing as right now" use? Sure. Some people like that - it's their thing. That's fine - who the hell am I to tell them to not play how they want?

DPS tools for group use, as in, "I'm looking at the last fight, and Billy has a DPS three whole points below where he should be! Let's kick Billy, he's obviously dragging everyone down!" use? Hell no. This ties into the first one - play how you want, but don't shove your playstyle onto someone else. Yes, I can see the benefits from the OP's listed example of an extreme case - you can see who's literally just tagging along and not doing anything to help out. However, there's always the extremes, and there will also be those people who harbor a "MUST HAVE X DPS OR WILL KICK" mentality, and that's not cool.

My personal damage meter:

1) I hit stuff
2)
A) it dies
B) I die

If 2-A, damage good. If 2-B damage bad.

Done.

Dood, you responded to me, I had not quoted anyone else.

And I said exactly what you quoted, Bob doing x and Y and what people want to use the tool for. Which kicking people from groups is a large part of it.

Your quote has very little specifics in it at all.

I think a damage meter does more harm than good. Some people abuse this and create websites that have the perfect "rotation"

At that point it is not really a game anymore is it?

Ok, my thoughts on something like this:

DPS tools for personal, "just my character I'm playing as right now" use? Sure. Some people like that - it's their thing. That's fine - who the hell am I to tell them to not play how they want?

DPS tools for group use, as in, "I'm looking at the last fight, and Billy has a DPS three whole points below where he should be! Let's kick Billy, he's obviously dragging everyone down!" use? Hell no. This ties into the first one - play how you want, but don't shove your playstyle onto someone else. Yes, I can see the benefits from the OP's listed example of an extreme case - you can see who's literally just tagging along and not doing anything to help out. However, there's always the extremes, and there will also be those people who harbor a "MUST HAVE X DPS OR WILL KICK" mentality, and that's not cool.

Edit: I should add that I do know of other good uses for the "tool for everyone" thing. I mean, if I saw a fellow Sentinel who was lacking in DPS, I'd try to give him a few pointers that might help him boost his numbers - and I'd do it in a nice, polite way. So there are good things about it, but... somethign I've learned from many years of internet usage is that people turn into horrible jerks online about 90% of the time.

I think a damage meter does more harm than good. Some people abuse this and create websites that have the perfect "rotation"

At that point it is not really a game anymore is it?