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Rotsam
02.16.2012 , 10:17 AM | #261
I don't think meters are solely used to measure dps epeen or determine who is terribad. It would also be a strategy tool to determine when to pop cool downs, how to mitigate dps threat, when healers need to spam, and begin to understand how things fell apart during a wipe.

In my opinion it is an essential tool. An in-game analytics system would be great, but the by far the most glaring omission is a combat log. At lease with a log we could write external parsers and manually crawl through data.
Rotsam [Sith Juggernaut]

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Vydor_HC
02.16.2012 , 10:18 AM | #262
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
No, the tools existing on test server doesn't help me know that bob is doing X wrong on Y fight, so that doesn't actually allow for all the things that people want to be able to use it for; it only works for a particular subset of people.

Personally, I think it's much better for them to add the meters to the live servers and then the people who want to use it can, and the people who don't want to it use it don't have to use it.
-nods-

I understand the need to kick people out of a group, I think it's destructive to the game, that's why I'd like to see people have access to the tools, yet have the live game still have a buffer from what can turn into abhorrent behavior.

Like studying for a test with notes on the test server, then taking the test with your knowledge on the live.

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Norumaniac
02.16.2012 , 10:20 AM | #263
Quote: Originally Posted by Rotsam View Post
I don't think meters are solely used to measure dps epeen or determine who is terribad. It would also be a strategy tool to determine when to pop cool downs, how to mitigate dps threat, when healers need to spam, and begin to understand how things fell apart during a wipe.

In my opinion it is an essential tool. An in-game analytics system would be great, but the by far the most glaring omission is a combat log. At lease with a log we could write external parsers and manually crawl through data.
I agree.

But this game is really casual friendly (and i dont think thats a bad thing).

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ferroz
02.16.2012 , 10:20 AM | #264
Quote: Originally Posted by Vydor_HC View Post
-nods-

I understand the need to kick people out of a group, I think it's destructive to the game, that's why I'd like to see people have access to the tools, yet have the live game still have a buffer from what can turn into abhorrent behavior.
I'm not sure how this is supposed to related to the quoted text.

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Vydor_HC
02.16.2012 , 10:22 AM | #265
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
I'm not sure how this is supposed to related to the quoted text.
-shrugs-

Don't know what to tell you then.

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Rollcageuk
02.16.2012 , 10:23 AM | #266
Quote: A sycophant. How quaint.

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not quite, the quote just made me laugh and agree all the same time.
I forgot appreciating comedy was not allowed on these forums.

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Raazmir
02.16.2012 , 10:26 AM | #267
I just don't see that the game is hard enough and enrage timers are tight enough to warrant NEEDING dps meters to see who isn't "pulling their weight"


Maybe in later raids, but not right now, the only use for one right now is an e-peen meter.

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wolveroach
02.16.2012 , 10:29 AM | #268
As long as the Devs don't have to ratchet up the difficulty in ops and HM FPs because the content is too easy for those who like to Min/Max and have used meters.

I don't care if a player wants to know how to min/max using data from a meter but I sure as hell don't want to be told how to play my character and have end game content sealed away from me because I won't min/max.

Call me a Bad all you want but expect Elitest remarks coming back your way.

It is a game not a job and I pay my monthly subscription just like you do. Play the way you want and I will do the same.

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ferroz
02.16.2012 , 10:34 AM | #269
Quote: Originally Posted by Vydor_HC View Post
-shrugs-

Don't know what to tell you then.
You could start by talking about why you're talking about people being kicked from groups while quoting the text that has nothing to do with that...

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Vydor_HC
02.16.2012 , 10:37 AM | #270
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
You could start by talking about why you're talking about people being kicked from groups while quoting the text that has nothing to do with that...
Ah, you stated "what people want to use it for"...which from reading this thread and threads about this topic in the past, that is one of the ways people use meters..to make sure they are not "carrying" dead weight in a group.