The reason I love being able to leave WZs with no penalty

No, you fold and try again once you know there is no chance for you to win. If that same player has beaten you several times you do take your money and go find another table with different people. What would you call someone paying money to get beat when they have no chance of winning?

re-read what i wrote. I do not match hop, I premade pvped tonight for 3 hours with only 1 quit (4 players with some measure of pvp skill against 8 skilled pvpers , the other 4on our team were useless and our premade was in agreement with aborting) . I will stay for the win or the loss if its competitive. I'll leave if A) the team makes zero effort to work together B) its clear your on the Receiving end of a farm.

why is this so hard to understand?

Devils advocate here. Do you also quit game where you are steamrolling the other team at 5-0 and they have no chance at a comback because those games are not competative? You will never convince anyone that you only play for the competion unless you are consistant.

I read what you wrote and understand it clearly, you are not exempt from the term match hopping because you had 1 good night and use a pre-made. All you have is 4 people leaving instead of 1, which is worse.

Saying if it is competitive is extremely subjective, I class it competitive under the current model if it is equal players vs. equal players, (8v8 etc.), still don't leave with 5v8 tho.

And again refer you to another of my points, to your B)...

If you are on the end of a farm, the enemy team is usually on deathmatch mode, making a turn-around easier, especially if you are 4 people with PvP skill as you claim.

Also I love the constant assumption by people that the enemy team is always "8 skilled pvpers" and that when their team wins it is a completely competitive match and not because the enemy team had 4 people who didn't work together. (Same as dude above's point)

well your definition of competitive is just as subjective as mine, equal numbers dont mean equal skill. it is an assumption on my part to say that it was 8 skilled players. it could have been 4 players better than us or 2 players better than us. but thats not the point. If we suffered one loss in 3 hours of pvp. theres enough data there to indicate that we are not the primary issue for losing, and that being the case why cant we apply the outcome of that observation to how we pvp or whom we pvp with?

no. but they have the choice to leave, and I wouldnt be upset in the slightest or think less of them for doing so.

The point was to show how subjective it was -.-

It is most certainly the point, you assume your team is worse than the other team

3 hours of PvP is in no way a clear way of saying "My team is better than you".

I won 9 matches in a row, and then lost 3 matches, however, it is clear because of the 9 I won previously, that of the 3 I lost, it was the teams fault, not mine.


Hypocrite

Had a crash to desktop yesterday. Sucked. So I have about 45 minutes of time, wanted to do the daily (which turned out as a complete failure with 0/3). Logged in, started, WHAMBAM desktop.

With deserter buff I'd had just logged and not played.

how many hours of data would it take before you could concede the point that players can know what they are or are not capable regarding pvp, and the choice to leave or stay in a warzone can be influenced by this, your just arguing because you can. agree to disagree. nothing good comes by playing polemics.

the flipside of being a hypocrite which ties directly to leaving warzones. (which I do on occassion) is I dont mind if they leave.

I practically never leave a WZ but this IS why I left the ones I have. Going AFK 30 minutes or going to do my Belsavis or Ilum dailies while any debuff evaporates isn't going to bother me if that means the premade BM team has gone away by then.