The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

newsflash sorc can kite. In a game where all other range classes clearly outdamage them and all melee classes have a leap on a shorter cooldown than any of the sorc CC....meaing they cant kite for very long (or they can kite an operative thats it)....

I am pretty sure where all the bads actually play and its firmly in the maurder and jugg class if you think sorc are OP and your class isnt.

kiting means doing singificant damage on the run while you keep our target at distance. sorc/sage can't kite at all. we have to stand still for most of our damage and to get a proc making a long cast spell instant for the time when we need to run (which we have to do most of the time when somebody is targeting us).

I don't regard all others as cavemen lol. I regard people who make up stuff about my class to be useless at the game, because why else do would you make this stuff up? I've asked for specifics in exactly what makes sage or sorc op. only response is "they have too much utility" or "they can damage and heal". Working as intended then. The trade off is they are squishy, and have low dps compared to other classes and whether you agree or not - that is in the design of the class. All the sorc that are "defending" their classes do so because they understand the trade off.

Your class is as good as the player, playing it.

Equally people are saying all sorc sage are op gods, we know our classes don't treat us like we have some sort of ez mode because people don't know hot to counter them. If you do know then you know they are not op. it's as simple as that.

Why are they op ? What is stopping you from using your abilities?

First of all sorry, it's late for me so I spaced it and listed Mercenary abilities and I'm probably going to bombard you with some more bad grammar. =P

My channel points me outs, too bad I can't ditch that one. =P

Did I miss a spec point? I'm seeing 21 seconds on Torhead.

Sounds like this is my HoT without the 300hp ticks. Never seen the initial hit for 900, but I'm only in champ gear.

Then there's Trauma Probe and my Static Barrier that don't exactly heal on the run, but I'll get more casts out of my bubble if the timing and incoming damage is right (I don't try to use it as a defensive cooldown on the rest of the team =P).

As a healer I'm not trying to Force Speed away to safety while my team is taking damage. I may force speed to LoS somebody while still being able to heal, but with every other class having a leap and/or pull it's mostly futile. Force Speed is great in hutball for jumping that last fire on the second level from the third level and setting up for a pull to the side from the start of the match. Voidstar isn't really good for Force Speed, but it's better than nothing. The problem is I have to be clumped up with everyone on the door, and then hope I don't get CC'd when it opens (while everyone has their hands on their CC). I've heard you can jump the gap in the middle of the bridges (which could be really cool), but I haven't been able to try it.

I don't think you're wrong about us having more healing power (I've seen 900k healing screenshots from a couple Sorcerers), and you're definitely right about our utility (lol Stealth Scan). I think sorcs being hard to take down kind of relies on ditching the team and hoping our purser leaves or gets peeled so we can come back. We may not die real easy, but putting us out of commission is really easy. Being able to stand with your team allows them to beat on someone that's on you a lot easier.

Admittedly, I may be a little bias at this time. My guild is just starting to hit 50, so for the past month or so I've been wishing I had rolled a Mercenary for solo queuing as a healer.

For a sorc you have to do about 30k damage. How many classes can say that about themselves?

Yeah, I'm feeling pretty off as well. I do think they're a strong class, and I like that there are so many viable specs. I know I explode in PVP, but I expect to with all the utility I bring to the table. Without other 50s in champ gear I can't really judge the difference though. I don't think the bubble really pushes us ahead in durability because we don't have any defensive cooldowns and it can be cast on others. I don't micro manage for a double bubble on others because if I can see their damage then I can use the bubble to hold it off while I heal, so I kind of think of a double bubble as our defensive cooldown. Does any other class not have two defensive cooldowns?

Sorcs are not OP; pretty much a free kill IMO.

more made up numbers pulled out of his rear....or face im not sure which is which.

Kiting means doing damage while keeping your target at a distance. True it's not going to be much, but with all the pull/leaps you need a class that can DoT and then get out of the 30m range. I would say a full Madness Sorcerer would be the best at this in the game, and it's going to be rough with some classes. Do I see it as useful? Not really. Non gap closing classes will be getting hit with a lot more damage, and will be a lot more susceptible to this technique from 13/28 or the more CC based.

The class is able to score 17 medals no problems, something is seriously wrong, I tried to carbonize \ dart \ grapple scoring sorc, he removes cc, then he bubbles and charges throught flames, If I am lucky and don't get stunned, I try to grapple him back 90% of the time grapple doesnt work on sprinting sorceers. What sorcery is that?

I am getting tired of this...