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The reason I love being able to leave WZs with no penalty

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The reason I love being able to leave WZs with no penalty

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Sylvan
02.16.2012 , 05:49 AM | #121
To the OP.

Yeah, being stuck in a team with new players who don't know the score, or just bad players that do but don't care isn't any kind of fun. However, don't enter into a situation freely unless you have the skill and guts to play it through. Better yet, help them with whispers explaining what they did wrong. They are your servers population, chances are you'll get grouped with them again.

I understand your feelings, but I despise quitters more than noobs.

ps, don't go into a warzone without some friends.
Jen'doon............Harkal Moravian

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falcon_Xtreme
02.16.2012 , 05:54 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by Hahkil View Post
Leaving a WZ early is just bad sportsmanship and tbh creates a vicious cycle, it goes like this.

1) Your team has a bad start for whatever reason (zoning in issues etc.)
2) You in your elitism, think this is in no way your fault and have the right to abandon your teammates
3) Your ex-team now has less players, so less chance to turn the game around
4) More people realise they will not win with less players, so they leave
5) Any new joiners notice that it is 5/6v8, and leave aswell
6) The game cannot be turned around.

Sick of people just thinking "I'm better than everyone else, and anything that goes wrong is their fault not mine" and "I am more entitled than these paste-eaters, if they aren't as amazing as I think I am, then they don't deserve to even be near me"

Personally, I've never left a warzone through choice (1 screen crash during huttball), and more often than not, a game can be turned around from an early failure. Had a huttball we were 4-0 from almost the start, no-one left, and we managed to get it to 4-4 just as the final "whistle" blew, and won.

Also had voidstars where we have no luck on doors for ages, but no-one leaves, and thanks to the crappy resurrection system, clear all 3 doors with almost no opposition, and win, (despite 2 of our doors being got quite quickly during our defense). This has also happened the other way around with the enemy doing this stuff.

No game is lost until it is over. And tbh, if a team gets a massive headstart, they tend to get slack, they feel the game will be easy and tend to go into deathmatch mode, making turnarounds easier as the losing team becomes more focused as they notice it as a challenge.
Why should I and others have to pvp with players who have no clue how to do so? you cant help someone who wont help themselves.

we roll premades, and hope that at the other 3-4 players who join have half a brain and are not completely useless ( hell i'll settle for cannon fodder at least thats useful. )

If people are so clueless that they have derailed any effort to make pvp competitive i'll leave the zone. im not going to get farmed for 10 minutes. just because some noobs dont know how to play their own class or understand basic concepts of teamwork.
REDZONE & PROUD!

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KekoSplit
02.16.2012 , 05:55 AM | #123
There is no reason to leave a warzone. The worse your team is, the faster they loose and the faster you get your valor/comms. That's the way this game works.

You join a game, see it's Huttball, leave.
Join another, you are already 200-600 down in Civil War, leave.
Join another, 4 people on your team have less then 13k HP, leave.
Join another, Huttball, leave.

You just wasted 5-6 minutes and gained absolutely nothing, when you could have.

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falcon_Xtreme
02.16.2012 , 05:59 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by KekoSplit View Post
There is no reason to leave a warzone. The worse your team is, the faster they loose and the faster you get your valor/comms. That's the way this game works.

You join a game, see it's Huttball, leave.
Join another, you are already 200-600 down in Civil War, leave.
Join another, 4 people on your team have less then 13k HP, leave.
Join another, Huttball, leave.

You just wasted 5-6 minutes and gained absolutely nothing, when you could have.
some people play pvp for competition not coms
REDZONE & PROUD!

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Niddhog
02.16.2012 , 05:59 AM | #125
WZ quitters are a downward spiral. The more people that quit, the more hopeless everyone else becomes, the less they feel like actually trying, the more it causes people to label those bads and quit themselves... (even though they are guilty of the same thing... not trying).

And as others have said, I enjoy the come back games so.very.much! Was in a ~300/5 alderaan (losing) when we managed a 3 cap. And held it! XD Was screaming EAT A DICK *****ES!!! As the other team was no doubt starring blankly at the "DEFEAT" screen going "da ****?"

Again, if you don't even try you are on the same level as the medal farmers not even trying either, and if you win even with so many bads, doesn't that make you even better of a pvp'er?

As far as "I don't give a **** about you its my 15 a month...." You have to keep in mind everyone else is saying the same right back at you, except this time its 7 different peoples' 15/month (105, to be exact) against your single 15. Is your 15 worth the suffer of the 105? I suppose by that logic you support griefers. Their 15/month pays for their right to ruin the 15/month of everyone they come across (like the sith that abuse the wonky aggro in the Republic Ilum quest "Darkness on ilum" with all the sith friendly NPC packs).

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falcon_Xtreme
02.16.2012 , 06:05 AM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by Niddhog View Post
WZ quitters are a downward spiral. The more people that quit, the more hopeless everyone else becomes, the less they feel like actually trying, the more it causes people to label those bads and quit themselves... (even though they are guilty of the same thing... not trying).

And as others have said, I enjoy the come back games so.very.much! Was in a ~300/5 alderaan (losing) when we managed a 3 cap. And held it! XD Was screaming EAT A DICK *****ES!!! As the other team was no doubt starring blankly at the "DEFEAT" screen going "da ****?"

Again, if you don't even try you are on the same level as the medal farmers not even trying either, and if you win even with so many bads, doesn't that make you even better of a pvp'er?

As far as "I don't give a **** about you its my 15 a month...." You have to keep in mind everyone else is saying the same right back at you, except this time its 7 different peoples' 15/month (105, to be exact) against your single 15. Is your 15 worth the suffer of the 105? I suppose by that logic you support griefers. Their 15/month pays for their right to ruin the 15/month of everyone they come across (like the sith that abuse the wonky aggro in the Republic Ilum quest "Darkness on ilum" with all the sith friendly NPC packs).
why should a player stay in a wz where the team they are on is just downright terrible? just because of some misplaced sense of loyalty to the cause?

im not going to waste my time (time is money via sub) in a warzone just because some people have not learnt to play. thats my right as a consumer.

however.. if its competitive i'll stick it out. win or lose.
REDZONE & PROUD!

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KekoSplit
02.16.2012 , 06:08 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by falcon_Xtreme View Post
some people play pvp for competition not coms
So you join a poker game, get a bad hand, take your money and leave for another table, rinse and repeat until you get a good hand?

I don't think it works that way in real life.

Competition means dealing with what you've got, not reshuffling a deck until you're satisfied with what you've been given.

And that's exactly what the people leaving warzones are doing, they are trying to find a game they are sure they'll have a good chance of winning.

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falcon_Xtreme
02.16.2012 , 06:10 AM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by KekoSplit View Post
So you join a poker game, get a bad hand, take your money and leave for another table, rinse and repeat until you get a good hand?

I don't think it works that way in real life.

Competition means dealing with what you've got, not reshuffling a deck until you're satisfied with what you've been given.

And that's exactly what the people leaving warzones are doing, they are trying to find a game they are sure they'll have a good chance of winning.
actualy its called a "fold" poker players do it all the time.
REDZONE & PROUD!

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falcon_Xtreme
02.16.2012 , 06:12 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by KekoSplit View Post
So you join a poker game, get a bad hand, take your money and leave for another table, rinse and repeat until you get a good hand?

I don't think it works that way in real life.

Competition means dealing with what you've got, not reshuffling a deck until you're satisfied with what you've been given.

And that's exactly what the people leaving warzones are doing, they are trying to find a game they are sure they'll have a good chance of winning.
competitions are more fun when they are... wait for it...... wait for it.... competitive!
REDZONE & PROUD!

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Hahkil
02.16.2012 , 06:21 AM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by falcon_Xtreme View Post
some people play pvp for competition not coms
Then what is the purpose of leaving if it doesn't look like a clear win, there is no competition involved in match hopping until you get one where you are 100% to win.

And to your other posts, I refer you to my point of hating people who think "Anything that goes wrong is other people's fault, not my own"
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