The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

No, it seems you will never understand. Make merc/commando. Friendly advice.

It is funny that people try to "measure" how "successful" they are with a class via the scoreboard. Shows they are clueless.

You didn't prove anything, I posted all the numbers, it's practically impossible to go OOF in under 30 seconds unless you're playing absolutely terribly.

And even then, unless you're playing against a annhi marauder or pyrotech you'll still be able to spam FL at least 1/2 the time because lockouts are 1/2 the length of the interrupt cooldown.

Interrupts are a joke in this game.
Stop being bad and don't spam force lightning on people in melee range? Problem solved?

Kiting on a sorcerer isn't difficult, getting off force lightning isn't a problem, even when you are being focused.


And EVEN THEN, if you're having this big of a problem getting FL off, which is a problem nobody else is having by the way, have you ever once considered maybe fake casting?
You need to be spamming instants non stop for over 30 seconds to run out of force in this game, if you're having force problems you're absolutely terrible. I'm not sure what to tell you past that, a dps sorcerer in this game shouldn't be having any force problems outside of rare situations like extremely long fights where you don't get a chance to regen.
rolling dots, project on a 6 sec cd, if they've already wasted their interrupt you can even hardcast crushing darkness & Lightning strike / chain lightning. Doing damage while you're locked out of force lightning isn't a problem in this game.
A. No, to burst that hard pretty much every class has to rely a lot more on procs and setups. one force lightning to get the instant proc and then popping an adrenal hardly constitutes a lot of setup.

B. I never said sorcerers had the best burst in the game, they don't, their burst isn't what's overpowered, but their burst is still respectable .

You seem to regard all others as cave men.

We know our classes. And many of us know that if filling the same role (DD / heal), the sorc is better.

And telling us, how squishy you are, and how fragile, is ridiculous when we see those BM sorcs every day in the warzones, being not squishy at all.

Is the sorc overpowered? It depends on your definition.
Is it clearly the best advanced pvp class of all? Yes. Especially when you take into account how Warzones are made and how they play into the sorcs abilities.
Is it invincible? No.

Really we are still arguing about this?

Sorc(and sage) is the LOL EZ mode class of this game.

I don't think we need to nerf them, because if you play one you need the handicap.

Personally i think its a good idea to have a handicap class. Its like gear, got to give lesser skilled people a sense of "power" so they keep re-subing. Problem is skilled people still play them and then they are OP as hell. If you are skilled you should shelve your Sorc in interest of game balance, and heck if your that skilled why are you so insecure to play the EZ mode class? Play something harder.


I played one till like level 22. It was so easy I couldn't bring myself to play it any longer. I play PvP to have a challenge, and the sorc was just absurdly easy. Kiting is soooo easy against melee..

At 50 they are no different. In particular if you get more that 2-3 of them together they are tougher than tank/healer combos. An army of just sorcs would destroy any other mix of class combos, guaranteed.

Because sorcs have two mezzes, one is on passive bubble breaks, they're both instant, one stuns if it's broken, and they've got 30 meter range?
You get 50 focus back at the cost of 15% of your health. that's hardly terrible.
What the hell are you talking about. Why don't you start fights with it up already?

Two, it's got a 3 second mezz when it breaks, meaning that sorcerers are the class in the game least effected by stuns, you can be stunned and they can't dps you for the duration of the stun because your bubble broke.

you mispelled hypocrite, and a good sorcerer can kite just about any class bar guardians almost indefinitely. And even then, if you're bad and do end up in melee range, your DPS hardly even drops. Complaining about being unable to kite people is a l2p issue.
Are you actually trying to argue that other classes are better than sorcs because a sorc's bubble makes them overpowered?

1.) You do not use TK Throw/Lightning while you are trained period. The more you spout this rubbish the less I believe you play a Sorc/Sage.
You go oof faster than 30 seconds if properly trained.

2.) Interupts are not a joke people just do not know which are the important spells to lockout most of the time or are bad at timing.
Certainly better than WoW in which made some classes being completly shutdown for up to 10 seconds depending on patch paladins in Classic getting countered by mages CS being a prime example here.
How was that even remotly fair?
So actually Interupts just take more skill/Knowledge in this game compared to other games where it was nearly a brain dead decision and only hinged upon reflexes.

3.) Nonsense far too much CC and interupts which most classes get even to get TK Throw off against decent opponents. Of course it is easy when there are tons of bads around. And again the damage of the spell is pathetic without Psychic Projection Procc.
Kiting is of course not too hard since the class relies on it? If Kiting was close to impossible you could throw Sorc/Sage into the next trash can.

4.) Again you miss the point. Crushing Darkness is a 2 second cast which only deals a modicum damage, gives no force back and does procc nothing.
So what you want is making casters completely useless. Why not ask for some more silences and anti force/tech damage abilities. Oh wait why not give all the other classes more immunity abilties while we are at it?

5.) Fake casting? You mean what I did on my mage already in classic when everybody after watching Vurtne thought it was a keen invention? Yes I do?
What does that have anything to do with the problem that good players will reduce the amount of TK Throw / Lightning to a minimum?

6.) I doubt you play that class seeing how you exaggerate grossly.

You are doing it wrong, this thread is about making sorc free kill for everyone instead of quite a few classes it is now. And about baddies having problem with good sorcs. And big numbers that can be achieved when playing agains terribads.

Yeeeah, well i played every class to level 10 and all are EZ mode.

Cool story bro. Need a pat on your back? Does it make you feel better calling other players basically reta.rds because you are too terrible to beat the class and your ego is too fragile so you need to boost it by calling other players names?
It was easy at level 22? Which class is not easy to play? Answer is none, all are easy to play. Especially at that level.

Well because you said so, I guess that disproves all the facts I posted yesterday about focus regen. Darn.

Second, Why can't you? My scoundrel's interrupt is a 8 second cd, lockout is 4 seconds. If you're so bad at kiting just stand there and use force lightning when the lockout is up, there's nothing stopping you seeing as my opener whitebars you.

The only spell you can really interrupt off a sorcerer is force lightning...
No, interrupts in wow forced people to fakecast, something i've never seen done in this game. And ranged classes were hardly gimped in wow either, wow's interrupt system was much better
Because it penalized bad players
Yep, because it's such a big decision trying to interrupt the 1 spell you can interrupt

yep, being bad makes my cc not work when you're whitebarred. My scoundrel whitebars people in the opener, and then my interrupt has an 8 second cooldown.

You said you can't do damage while being interrupted, you clearly can unless you're one of those morons that stands there looking stupid for 4 seconds after an interrupt.

Which, from the sound of your posts, sounds like the case.

If you're fakecasting, and they interrupt, you're free to cast FL for 8 seconds until it's back up, even if you're so bad at kiting that you can't even keep them off of you. I don't understand how you have force problems, either you're making it up or you're doing something terribly wrong.