The reason I love being able to leave WZs with no penalty

You don't automatically re-enter it (I agree I wish you would, you do in wow from what I hear), but like I said, find the subroutine called when someone manually leaves a warzone, add the debuff code there. Leave the "detect that someone disconnected and remove them from WZ" code alone. Bam! No debuff for folks with actual, non-player based issues.

It is much easier to just give the people demanding that others be punnished what they want than it is to fix the actual problem.

List of things that would fix the cause of the problem.

Get decent matchmaking and either merge servers or allow cross server pvp warzones and most of the deserter issues will go away. All the best matchmaking tools in the world will do you no good if you only have the same small group of people to put against each other.

Premade vs premade. If your team is all from the solo queue, then the other team should be as well.

Prevent the same matchups back to back unless the score was very close or decided by a tiebreaker.

If the game was decided by a tie breaker, please do what you can to requeue the same people against each other.

Prevent low level valor vs high level valor matchups.

Instead of punnishing those that leave, reward those that stick it out. Give them the xp, valor and commendations that the deserter would have recived. Half to the person that comes in to replace them and the other half divided up to the rest of the group.

Do not start games when one side is outnumbered, even if it falls within the 2 person difference. 6 vs 8 is still a slaughter, it just takes a little longer.


That stuff takes actual work. Punnishing the deserters will do very little to solve the acutal cause of the deserters, but it will make a group of people that cry on the forums happier, and really that is what is important.

So.... because it fuels your elitism and ego? Good to know.

But when the way you want to spend yours is going to negatively impact the other 7 people on your team and the person who is put in to replace you in the warzone those $120 > your $15.

Noone likes losing but when you play a competitive game (which is what a WZ is) someone has to lose. The problem is people are just plain bad sports and want to rage quit and then justify it by pointing the finger at everyone else.

The only people I will feel bad for with this are those who disconnect due to technical difficulties. Hopefully BW thinks of a way to stop them from getting the debuff if it is ever put into place.

A lot of responses...clearly a hot topic. I didn't mean to start any flame wars or anything I just had a bad match and it made me think about why it is so great I can leave. wanted to respond to a few things though:

First off, hats off to Greyfield since he 100% understands how I feel


Hmm, you say I am a hypocrite because I am worried wasting my own time losing, so leave a WZ and the person coming in now is in that position. Interesting statement, except for one thing: you don't know what that person's PvP goals are. You don't know what is fun to them. You don't know if it is their first game, and they are still in awe, or if they plan to be AFK in the corner. You don't know - and neither do I. What I do know is that I play to be competitive and have fun. For me, fun is a close, competitive game - it does NOT have to be a win. It is only ignorance that assumes someone will leave "just because the team is losing" . There are dozens of reasons why someone might leave a WZ.




This, This , and THIS !

Look at medals: they award individual performance, not team performance. The medal system, itself, encourages apathy toward other players and focus on individual effort. There are no medals for successfully capping a Voidstar door, or stealing a Turret away from the enemy in Civil War. There are no medals (for the team) to score a ball in Huttball. Are there objective points ? Sure, but you can't expect everyone on the team to sit in their endzone the entire game. THAT IS NOT FUN. When I play my healer sorc (who is on the shelf right now) I can EASILY get 10 medals a game. Do the math 10 medals = 500 valor and 50 more commendations. Now, say I run the ball the whole game and such, I might only get 6 medals, and so my reward is significantly diminished to do the objective , HOWEVER -- this is not the point. I am making a general statement about the system, and why it fails. I play for fun, not for digital rewards.

Imagine if they removed all personal medals, and made objectives (capping doors, balls, etc) the only source of extra rewards...imagine the difference in the teamwork.








All of this. When I stay in a WZ where I feel that the rest of the team is under-performing to what I would consider and average player skill level (I'm not a Pro, so don't come back to me with some elitist bs) , I find that as the match progresses, I become the focus target. I often have the entire team targeting me as soon as I pop my face out on my toons (other than Healer sorc even), and for the most part ignoring the people fighting in the field or chasing people into the pit.

On top of that, pre-mades are a nightmare ! If I was a game developer, I would NEVER let a fully geared pre-made go against a group of fresh 50s - a PUG at that. Pre-mades should be facing pre-mades, always, no exception. Oh you have a long Que time ? Cool, disband and que solo and it will not be a problem. But you pay 15$ a month too ? Cool, then you will just have to wait until an even match comes along.

As far as comparisons to WoW, it is inevitable. I will just say that my mage had full T6 as well and I completely crushed full geared PvP people, but not because of gear - because I had been playing my mage for ~5 years. In this game, skill is meaningless versus PvP gear. That is why the low level brackets are so much fun ! It is 100% skill based, where gear is not an issue.

I also wanted to respond to someone who pointed out that if there is a leaver penalty, there will be an influx of AFKers - This is 100% accurate, and it is easy to see why. Generally speaking, PvP is done for either the rewards, or for the fun. Even if we split the demographic 50/50 (which is generous, mind you), you would essentially have half the people queuing only there for the reward...So if that person joins a match, and sees he has a terrible team, why not put your video overlay on and watch a South Park while you afk until its over. Still get reward, with Zero pain.

However, for me, I would still quit and take the penalty. Why ? Because my fun is in the competition. If there IS NOT competition (i.e. our team is against a full pre-made BM, full of fresh 50s, bads, or in low level PvP bads not doing objective) I am not having fun so I will leave and log on an alt or something.

The leaver penalty does NOT solve the issues, it is merely a workaround. Just as the US keeps raising the debt ceiling instead of just making a balanced budget, BW wants to penalize people for being upset with the system, instead of just fixing the system.

sorry for the long post

Your suggestion is not technically feasible because in order to leave without debuff you could just briefly unplug your network cable to simulate a disconnect, and there is no technical way to detect this situation.

you talking a lot of crap, i lol'd

Without the deserter debuff. Person leaves. Someone comes and replaces them. Perhaps they will actually be usefull and help get a win, perhaps not but they are willing to try. That or the new person sees the loss and you get a chain of people coming in and out.

With the debuff. Person stays and gives up and does just enough to not get the afk boot.

Which one will have a greater negative impact?

Lol, I support the penalty 110%

RQers like this guy need to L2P. Rather than leaving and trying to find a warzone with good players so you can have a free ride, why don't you try and be the good player that makes the difference and gets the win.

The reason is you're just as bad as the "low level bads" that you spend all your time complaining about.

First off...its not rage-quitting. I don't let it get to the point of rage-quitting. I, without getting all angry, can see that we have 4 marauders in the wrong spec, a sorc trying to heal himself in the corner, and terrible op within the first few moments of the game. You can too, and so can ANY player who does a decent amount of PvP. And so I say, is this game going to be fun for me, getting farmed and trying to carry 5 people ? No, it isn't.

The problem with your argument is that every PvP game is like that. Think about it, CoD, MW3, BF3, WoW, Rift - even RTS games like SC2/RoN, etc. There are always people that are negatively impacted by others, and other times where those "others" are the ones negatively impacted.

You talk about losing - this thread was NEVER about losing - it was about having a chance at winning. If my team is bad, I do NOT want to spend 15 minutes asking people to pass the ball, call out incs, or stay on the doors. that is NOT fun for me. So I leave.

I played a game earlier today where everyone was playing well from the get-go, and then we got unlucky and a sorc managed to solo run through 2 fire traps to score a ball. We all saw it, and there was nothing we could do. So we rallied, and came back and won 3-1. It was a close, competitive, hard fought game. This thread was never about losing...go re-read the op.