The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

i'll be honest with you, at this point i'm personally very sick of this debate, let the nerfs come, it won't really matter to me because it'll just means i'll have to try harder to retain the same results, but i assure you, mercenaries will be next.

sure and give sorcs more burst....

Not at all. MMO PvP balance is subjective. My definition is based on my experience with multiple MMOs in the past and the general balancing scheme that MMOs and PvP games in general. Yours might come from a dissimilar experience from mine.


And about Force Slow.. I didn't know it was a base ability during leveling. I PvP'd from 40-45 and it was never used against me. In the 50s brackets it's STILL rare to see someone use it intelligently.

What CC?

Oh, you must mean LOLwind or maybe eLOLtrocute? Or possibly overLOL?

All of these are easily removable or avoidable by most.

I'm not a mercenary, so fine by me? I don't think they're OP though, I think they need a less obnoxious reimagining

yes every sorcerer knows 31 lightning or 31 madness are both super underwhelming. there is a reason why the best dps spec for pve in the game is only 28 madness.

tl;dr
31 specs are terrible when compared to the hybrid spec

Or maybe the others I specifically outlined in the original post? Maybe the talents "Backlash" and "Electric Bindings"? Read the thread please.

I do not think the problem is hybrid sorcerers, I do not think your changes will balance them and I do think forcing back to the 31 point talents is going to make the sorcerer a ghost town. The cc in the lightning tree does not fix the fundamental problem with lightning in pvp which is lack of mobility. If they move they are not dpsing so all that extra cc means nothing. If they stand still they are a sitting duck and do not have the mitigation grav rounders and tracer spammers have. Cc all you want because if you are not dpsing you are only delying the inevitable.

Forcing someone into madness while giving mobility loses the cc which keeps them alive and again they do not have the grav rounder or tracer spammers have. As far as dps output the 28/13 spec is the highest dps spec available, according to the latest sims it is actually about 10% ahead of the cc specs so you give up about 10% overall damage output to get that survivability. On the other hand going with the higher damage spec simply isn't practical in pvp because you lack the survivability to do that damage without the cc.

The solution is not to nerf the only viable specs for sorcerers in pvp. The solution is to make the 31 point talent trees themselves worth going all in. Currently they are not. The hybrid specs derived precisely out of how underwhelming the 31 point specs are in pvp.

You want to see why your proposals are both unnecessary and harmful look at the very practical advise in the following thread on sorc specs in pvp:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=287297

Forgoing chain lighting from 28/13 spec is only about a 2% dps loss as well. The sorc hybrid specs are not only fine but the only viable specs at this point in time for pvp. Fix the 31 point talents and in lightning trees case make it more mobile. There is no reason for a class that is allergic to being up close and personal to be forced to stand still so melee can get to them easier. I hate to say it but all the whiners need to L2P. I think it sucks getting tracer or grav round spammed to death then I learned about this nifty tool called jolt that will interrupt it. I can also pillar hump. Funny thing though is if you take away the cc of a sorcerer that helps them stay alive then they can pillar hump like everyone else but with less mitigation and health.

Sage/Sorc are paper thin and can get burned down very fast. It's funny to see people think the class is OP, just because it has heals and a bubble and all them magic tricks.

Point is a good player can bypass all them magic tricks and kill a Sage/Sorc with ease, especially melee.

Not going to toot my horn too much, but I eat Sage/Sorc for breakfast, they taste like pork chops..

Yeah poor lightning, no mobility. Some snipers might have a word with you on that though...