The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

i'll assume you're not trying to belittle me with the whole "understanding of imbalance" statement.
the idea of balance is once any class is played to it's fullest potential, every class is equal, that is balance. from your posts, i think you believe differently. now granted the climb to that full potential may vary between different classes, that doesn't make a class overpowered by any sense. and honestly, i don't believe we are there yet to make that kind of judgement as i have mentioned through several posts. it is far too early to tell.

i've asked this question several times in many threads, how much of the swtor population do you even believe that know how to play their own class, let alone judge the balance of another? you said it yourself, you didn't even know force slow was a baseline ability.

like i've said before, i believe your OP has valid points, but it is from a melee point of view thereby narrow and short sighted. i don't believe you can fully grasp the implications of what you are proposing. i have my misgivings about other classes as well, but i won't outright state them as imbalances as of yet because i believe i just haven't found the answer to those problems. this is where i believe where the current swtor pvp game state is.

Are you saying the 31 spec of sorc are underpowered? The OP is specifically against the hybrid spec and his solution would be to keep pure specs the same while nerfing hybrids. So you think without the hybrid spec sorc are UP?

There have been other classes sticking up, you just apparently read the thread.....

In addition, in general most people will not stick up for other classes because they always want easier kills...

Next poorly thought out question?

if you were actually informed, you would've realized several other classes has come to the defense of sorcerers, but whatever....

Except this thread outlines EXACTLY what to change so that they can remain one of the best PvP classes but not so ridiculous that they're the best class for every group PvP scenario. Read the OP. I'm asking that Bioware -NOT- listen to the whiners asking for them to be nerfed to the ground. I am asking for a VERY targeted nerf to ONE type of hybrid spec that is performing at an overpowered level by simply MOVING two CC talents higher in a tree.

Oh please, 6 pages on marauders and a few threads on Mercs (where plenty of other classes, including myself, pipe in on how counterable mercs are). Lots of people stood up for Mercs because, obnoxious though they are, they are not overpowered. No ones standing up for sorc except sorcs, hundreds of pages on this...


So let me ask you, would you be okay with the hybrid rearrangement that would leave the 31 point trees the same but only nerf the hybrid tree. If not do you consider 31 spec of Sorc Underpowered. If not, are you a huge hypocrit or what?

if you actually read, no sorcerer has claimed the hybrid spec is under powered, everyone is saying it's balanced...

If you had read me, I am asking if the 31 specs (as in NOT a hybrid spec) are underpowered. If they are balanced then would you be okay with nerfing just the hybrid spec. If the pure trees are balanced then the hybrid tree is not needed and sorc would not be nerfed because they can still go pure (which you claim is balanced...)

Many of us aren't jumping on the bandwagon calling for nerfs. It's a vicious cycle. I don't to see my sorc friends nerfed, I would however like to have more options on the table for my class to compete more effectively.

Bringing other classes, both ranged and melee, more utility is the answer that will cause closer balance.

so you are ignoring all the posts from players saying their fine, saying they are not sorcs, because what, you dont believe they are not sorc?


No, because Sorcs/Sages in full talents still have no burst and and would then die faster.. It is like saying you can get this car with a normal v8 engine, or for more money this car with a V4, to use in nascar.