The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

yes, an no one can clearly state what the actual imbalance is...
everyone just claims this is skill or that skill is overpowered.

If I sucked as much as 90% of my server's PvPers would that make my argument stronger?

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A general argument Sorcs seem to be making is "The fact that a Sorcerer has far more utility than anyone else is irrelevant when the player can outplay the Sorcerer and counter a lot of it". If you can't see the stupidity in this then it's just pointless to argue with you.


Lormif multiple times you've conceded that Sorcerers simply have more than others. Then you go on to argue that this is "balanced". I don't think you understand what "balance" is.

Edit: A common argument from you is "They're squishy" yet their bubble negates their light armor. Armor effects at best 60% of PvP damage unless up against weird specs that don't take utilize the internal/elemental damage that everyone has. At worst bubble puts a Sorcerer at an equal point to Heavy armored classes. At best the bubble causes them to totally outclass others in terms of mitigation and effective health.

You then go on to argue that despite the bubble they still need all of this CC and utility to make up for their "Squishyness". You completely ignore old points that have been conceded and look at each new argument in a vacuum. It's not how a debate/argument works. What you're doing is being stubborn and driving the discussion in circles. I can't say I blame you though because that's what a lot of people seem to be doing.

i read the initial post and i agree 100%. Nerf them to hell!!!

And harpoon is all you need. You know force run only takes you 30meters right? So it is not like you could not harpoon me, knights can jump to me if I run from them.. It is not like my run is guaranteed to get me away. In fact after one person it becomes exponentially more difficult to get away.

EVERY SORC DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THIS.

What you people are encountering is teams that have multiple Sorcs on them. Pay attention to names next time. You will NOT have the same Sorc preforming all of these things on you.

Sorc A has ability 1
Sorc B has ability 2
Sorc C has ability 3

If you are not paying attention to names, all you are seeing is a Sorc doing 1, 2, and 3 on you, therefore they must be over powered.

Actually, any Sorcerer can have all of those. The only thing they have to choose between is the blind or instant casting the 8sec mez. And considering every sorcerer gets the 8sec mez regardless, without instant cast, there's no reason they can't have the blind.

We were talking about heavy armor classes having escapes.... using harpoon is not an escape. Most classes also have to use their gap closer, I.E. harpoon in order to start combat, too.

if you think shield spec is the worst spec for vanguards, taugrim would like a word with you.
vanguard is the only class in the game right now where majority of their damage is elemental/internal.
able to guard ppl is a terrible ability to have huh?

what i'm trying to say is different classes bring different things to pvp comparing as such doesn't makes 0 sense. i don't see you complaining about not having stealth yet maybe you should add that too.

Actually they can have both. Just take a look at all three of the example specs I linked in the OP. All of them take the instant 8s Mezz, the AoE mezz from bubble, the knockback immobilize/root, and all but 1-2 of the damage talents that fully damage specced hybrids take.

You can have a good number of them, but you most definitely cannot have them ALL. And if you take as any as you can, the only thing you're going to be able to do is CC, forget any viable healing or damage.

no, i am not saying that at all. i'm simply saying since apparently in your case, skill can and does over come these imbalance/overpowered abilities. wouldn't that suggest it's not the abilities in question that are overpowered, but the player base lacking in skill?