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Another Tracer Missile Thread

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Another Tracer Missile Thread

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Fallensbane
02.15.2012 , 01:58 PM | #41
As a merc I don't find the ability to overpowering when I am 1 of maybe 2 mercs in a warzone. Once you sack several of us into a match, yeah it becomes crazy, but so does stacking sorcerers, sages, snipers etc.

Whether its infact OP or not, I could care less about. It is a stupid ability to base a class that DUAL WIELDS pistols on. Tracer missile should be there, on a longer cooldown and its debuff/buffs should be rolled into other abilities. As it is now its the most boring tactic I have played in a PVP match. 95% if the time I am on my Assassin now. I will occasionally pull out the BH if republic grows a set and fights us out in the open, imbalance or not.

Bioware you need to step up and redesign the arsenal tree to be more gun centric. If not rip the extra pistol away because the class should have been designed for its main abilities to be pistol.
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Krionic
02.15.2012 , 01:59 PM | #42
If you cannot kill a missle spamming merc or a grav rounding commando, you are the worst player in history. I'll help you out some, even though I have a post on this very subject:

Interrupt.

LoS.

Take advantage of the fact that they have no way to run away from trouble. They are stationary turrets.

In fact, I aim for commandos when i'm playing my Assassin. Such an easy easy kill.

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Yazule
02.15.2012 , 01:59 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by vindianajones View Post
Did you even read my post? I never said it was overpowered. I said it was too easy to do incredibly well with because it's a poorly designed system.

so you are complaining that it is too easy for us? this game should have been called star wars easy mode ...

this game is incredibly easy period... fyi until you have a 50's merc you have no idea, incredibly well takes more than tracer missile.

I am not by any means saying it is hard fyi, but my sorc is a LOT easier than my BH
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cenitzuro
02.15.2012 , 02:04 PM | #44
So because your operative got a nerf and isn't able to 3 shot my commando down you're saying we need a nerf? LOL. Pretty soon no one is going to be able to do HM and NM operations because people won't stop begging for a gosh darn nerf. L2P

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Arynai
02.15.2012 , 02:07 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by cenitzuro View Post
So because your operative got a nerf and isn't able to 3 shot my commando down you're saying we need a nerf? LOL. Pretty soon no one is going to be able to do HM and NM operations because people won't stop begging for a gosh darn nerf. L2P
The Operative nerf was desperately needed, not even sure why you're bringing that up.

Looks like all the intelligent discussion is gone, all that's left is players unwilling to read any of the arguments posted in this thread and instead resort to letting the drool dripping from their chins type for them.

Got some good points in though, good stuff.
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revned
02.15.2012 , 02:09 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by IronFirewind View Post
Tracer/Grav is fine in 1v1 but I laugh at anyone who thinks that 1v1 is worth anything in a game balanced around group v group combat. This is very important here as this game does not cater to the e-peens of Solo Heroes who expect to be carried by a bunch of randoms like in CoD or Halo. It rewards team players (Like a PvP game should).

The easiest way to fix Tracer/Grav would be to so one or any combination of the below:

1) Stick a minimum range on ranged abilities so that ranged classes are no longer really MDPS and are actually punished for letting a melee class get to them in group vs group.

2) Get rid of auto-face so it's actually possible to LoS an RDPS in group v group combat. Nine times out of ten you're going to be pretty much forced to eat 3 Tracer Missiles/Grav Rounds plus the finishers at melee range if you aren't a Watchman Spec Sentinel or whatever the Marauder mirror is. All the other MDPS classes are pretty much out of luck as soon as the interrupt is on KB against an RDPS class.

3) Make knockbacks fill up the Resolve gauge. It will stop of the the stupid "[Insert melee class here that really doesn't need a buff like Scoundrel or Sentinel] are underpowered!" topics too. Again this isn't bad at all if you happen to be a Jedi Knight or Sith Warrior but all the other MDPS classes are really screwed over by KBs not giving resolve.

4) Take away the insane lag compensation that allows ranged attacks with a projectile element to follow you around corners and out of range. This is most noticeable when fighting a Jedi Consular or a Mercenary. Ranged attacks should not follow you around corners and 60m away because the other guy has high ping and it's silly to punish people with low ping for that. (It's basically like high ping Snipers in TF2 or the lag compensation in general in Halo or MW3)
This seriously would fix SO much. That auto face crap is...well, crap, again...no skill.

I like the minimum range idea much like hunters were in WoW, imagine how ridiculous hunters would be if they had zero minmum range??!?! OG hunters, not the crap they call hunters now with more escapes than Operatives.

Yeah, knockbacks filling up resolve would be HUGE!!! Thos knockback to force lightining to hey you'reback im my face to STUN routines would be over with!
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Qilz
02.15.2012 , 02:25 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Arynai View Post

And put a question mark at the end of your questions, that's embarassing.
Oh, forgive me for missing that question mark. Whatever will I do? Is that the reason you completely skipped answering my question? (notice the question mark)

These are your points.

You want to fix the spec.
You don't play the class.
You say it's not overpowered.

So I will ask again.

Why do you care?

Worry about your own class and your own specs. This was nothing more than a very shallow attempt to stir up, yet another, nerf thread.

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JoeGotBored
02.15.2012 , 02:28 PM | #48
The whiner cycle:

1 Die in PVP. Notice that you were getting hit by a merc that you failed to force charge, grapple, knock back, interrupt, stun, los, etc...

2 Blame death on that one single ability. Ignore the other attacks, their graphic isn't as noticeable. There is no combat log to check anyways.

3 Go to pvp forum. Ignore the 2-3 other front page posts about Tracer Missile.

4 Make new post about Tracer Missile. Pass off pointed statements of opinion as fact, "Let's face it, Tracer Missile is grossly overpowered."

5 Ignore experienced Mercs who explain to you the talents and rotations and that they obviously use more than 1 button.

6 Ignore all the experienced pvp players who admit how easy Tracer Missile is to counter, and their tips on not dying to something that is obvious, and easy to interupt.

7 Go back to step 1

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Paralassa
02.15.2012 , 02:33 PM | #49
Hi there!

There is an active discussion thread for this topic:

Technical community discussion : Nerfing Tracer Missle

In the interest of consolidating discussion, we have closed this thread and ask that you use the one linked above for any further discussion. Thank you!