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Ok so It's offical. BM Bags are broken. My next question is.....

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Ok so It's offical. BM Bags are broken. My next question is.....

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DestyOwn
02.15.2012 , 10:52 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Epicycle View Post
how is it FALSE RNG?
TRUE RNG Cannot be broke. Since it doesnt favor anyone.

RNG Formules have been around since computers exist. if they used a true rng formula why would it be broke? if people are using these formulas for ages.

It's obvious they added some stuff to their rng formulas which broke it.
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icecoldone
02.15.2012 , 10:53 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by drdarpa View Post
YEah I just saw that and read the link. My apologies for that, that was indeed my read fail. I skim rather than read because of the disgusting amount of crying that goes on in the forums with little teeny tiny gems here and there.

So my next question is whether or not anyone can link the post by the Bioware employee that a problem exists where some players have a mathematically better gear drop rate than others, or an indication that they agree that there is indeed an issue where drops favor some players over others.

I believe that's the OP's problem, it's difficult to really tell because the kid has poor communication skills and would rather rant and rage than explain his issue clearly.
Ok i'll be civil with you

I have good communication skill actually. I have just given up talking to this community cos anything they don't understand turns into a rage at you.

I have commented on this issue so many times and just got shot down in a triad of rage and insults.

so no it's not that i can't communicate. This is the only way they will listen

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Delavager
02.15.2012 , 10:53 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by icecoldone View Post

Computers for starters don't do random. Which is why this system messed up in the first place.

They had an algoritm and they got it wrong.

I said this many times but was told by you zombies that its "RNG"

"WE GET IT OP DOESN'T UNDERSTAND RANDOM"


i did understand random more than you

and actaully i was right
You are amazing. I'm stunned I just read all that.

You are making assumptions. Period.

Here is the BW quote:

Quote:
Greetings All,

We apologize for this issue, it is a known one and it is due to be resolved in a future patch at some point after 1.1.3
Where in this "OFFICIAL STATEMENT" does BW say that the bags favor some people over others? Where does it say what the issue actually is?

Basically you are making everything up, everything. The ONLY part of your posts that hold true are "Battlemaster's bags are 'Broken'". Nothing else. Everything else is an assumption and heresy.

You are NOT right.
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Quinlynn
02.15.2012 , 10:53 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao View Post
they have been 60 for a while and spend time on there grind...alot of time
THEY did not spend anymore time than anyone else.

If anything, on the imperial side, they spent less time due to kill trading and faction imbalance in their favor.

IE, it has been much easier for IMPS to complete their dailies and Weeklies on Illum and thus they were able to gear up much faster.

ALSO, Illum is no place to valor farm. You get allot more valor from just doing WZz and especially if you go to illum first and get the valor buff.

BTW, when the OP says tokens is this in reference to "Item Tokens" or generic tokens. As I understand it the Generic tokens are a for sure thing and the item tokens are rare.

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Epicycle
02.15.2012 , 10:55 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by DestyOwn View Post
TRUE RNG Cannot be broke. Since it doesnt favor anyone.

RNG Formules have been around since computers exist. if they used a true rng formula why would it be broke? if people are using these formulas for ages.

It's obvious they added some stuff to their rng formulas which broke it.
it has been said before but...

"Random number generators are very useful in developing Monte Carlo-method simulations, as debugging is facilitated by the ability to run the same sequence of random numbers again by starting from the same random seed."

so its still true rng if you mess with the seed...

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nixterida
02.15.2012 , 10:55 AM | #66
I thought people used the pending quest exploit?

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drdarpa
02.15.2012 , 10:58 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Foxcolt View Post
Happens to the best of us....

There's no such link..BW just posted a generic "were looking into it" post..and now OP is QQ'ing rivers all over the forums...

Hoping after the flood of threads that will hit BW will come back with a better explanation.
Understood.

I know the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and all that ole' good stuff. But don't you think that this thread might be more appropriate in the bug fix forum? You're right that computers do not do random, and the bag openings are not arbitrary, there is an algorithm run for everything that makes a precise calculation on what the number should be. Bioware is under no obligation to release this to you as it could possibly be proprietary.

As a Senior Network Engineer for a large global IT company, I can tell you that 1 person crying really loud creates a far lower severity ticket than than 1000 people crying at individually low volumes.

Until they fix it your options are:

1. deal with it
2. stop pvping
3. unsub

Besides, what if the algorithm takes into account the amount of crying that you do on the forums?



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-sasori
02.15.2012 , 10:58 AM | #68
I've bought the standard edition. My Account is unmarked BM bags equal out about 25%.

Collector Edition owners got marked Accounts, their bags should have 2.5% drop chance.


Apparently CE owners got 25% too. This will be fixed.


( ) jk
What, wait - I don't even...

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Laoi
02.15.2012 , 10:59 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by copasetic View Post
As a side note, you need to get it out of your head that BM gear will suddenly turn you into a PvP god. The difference between Champion gear and BM gear is about 6 more Expertise and around 3-6 Endurance/Primary Stat per piece. BM gear will NOT suddenly turn a bad player into a good player. The only BM piece that is a significant upgrade is the Main Hand weapon.
i wish that was true. bm mainhand is actually a downgrade to champ one in terms of dps, it just adds alot of crit chance. oh yeah and it looks cooler :P huge factor huh? NOT

infact most bm items are a downgrade to champ in terms of dps. they add very little hp and main stat and even less exp, which is somewhat useless anyways at this level thx to diminishing returns.

bm gear needs quite the buff seriously. it doesnt have to be alot better than champion gear but it definitaly shouldnt be worse in any aspect.

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DestyOwn
02.15.2012 , 11:00 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Epicycle View Post
it has been said before but...

"Random number generators are very useful in developing Monte Carlo-method simulations, as debugging is facilitated by the ability to run the same sequence of random numbers again by starting from the same random seed."

so its still true rng if you mess with the seed...
it's been said before but.

RNG doesn't exist in a computer...

OFC if you change the seed its RNG... But changing the variables could narrow the range of your RNG which improve your chances right?

maybe thats how they broke their formulas... messing around with the range of the RNG

Anyways they will probably never tell us what they did to break a RNG system, because it would prove their RNG isnt Really Fair RNG and favors certain players on a fixed timeline
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