The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

I was trying to be humble.
Im a great player and I beat great players.
Honestly, I have never lost to a sorc in 1vs1. But this game is about team effort.
And what the sorc brings to a team, in utility, damage and healing is absurd.

This game is not about 1vs1 but 8vs8.
And there, there is no reason to bring anything but sorcs, or possibly 4 sorcs and 4 powertechs so you have guard and great additional ranged/melee dps.

I'll just say it one last time, then I'm off this board:

Sorc DPS sucks! (don't go show me some AoE spam fest to prove I'm wrong, it won't work, AoE fluffing through Force Storm will kill no one, but will give you sick DPS scores.

Sorcs CC in hybrid max CC build, is Over Powered. So many defense mecanisms on a single class is just wrong, regardless of if it's wearing cloth of paper.

(And no I'm not saying I know it all, nor am I saying everything I say is the utmost entire tuth and you should believe only me. I'm sharing my opinions, if you don't know how to read or just want to put words in my mouth, fair deal. I SAID THAT THE SORCs DPS SUCKS, I REROLLED BECAUSE OF IT!! Jesus, get to specsavers guys ^^)

Yes I KNOW, read the sgnature guys, jesus christ, I put math to show that yes the Sorcs DPS sucks compared to Mrauders and peeps feel the need to tell me ^^

And don't confuse Def Cool Downs and Crowd Control (CC), marauders have 2 CCs at lvl50 one of which also roots him. 3 if you count predation as a speed. Def CD wise they 5 if you count the vanish.

I'm talking about a well played sorc that is only seeking to incapicate in order to ignore you and go about their business, and yes they can do this whilst as a melee class you will just have to endure it.

If it makes you feel better I'll say it like this: IMO, having played the hybrid sorc to valor 54, the full Crowd Control build is on the Over Powered side.

And I'm not stuborn enough continue this one way conversation, I say one thing, and you get excited and say the same thing with a twist.

So one last time in it's simplest form:

BUFF SORC DPS
NERF SORC CC

Enjoy your ranting on at people without listening to them

peace

what damage, they have no burst, they will slowly damage you.. As for focusing down, 8 class can do it, and much better. Utility is all we have.

oh i hope no one hears this! all the fun will be gone. just smashing your damage abilities needs no skill and is only boring.

8 sentinels vs 8 sorcs will end in 5 sentinels alive.

the first 3 sentinels die at the beginning due to cc and focus fire.
the 8 sorcs die afterwards running from cc immune 5 sentinels.

Intimidating Roar - Untalented 6 second AOE stun/mes
Not a stun. Stuns don't break on dmg. Fail.

Force Choke 3 second stun
Again not a stun. A channeled CC that can be interupted. Fail 2.

Predation 10 second run speed increase for a group
And sage/sorc throws instant heals on people (shields that can't be dispelled), can cleanse CC off people, and is the only offhealer in the game with the endless freakin force/procs as hybrid spec to effectively be able to offheal. If you use predation you aren't using your dmg zen ability. Which means less dmg for you. Utility comes at a huge cost.

Deadly Throw reduces healing to the target
Yeah a 20 percent mortal strike when expertise increases healing done by 15 percent...Compare this to mortal strikes in other games. Add to this the dmg on it is garbage, it costs a resource and with expertise it is 5 percent less healing. OMG!

Disruption interrupt
Sage/sorc has an interupt. What is your point? Yours is ranged.

Crippling Slash 50% slow for 12 seconds
You have a slow that is ranged. Along with that the button you are pressing 80 percent of the time autokites.

Cloak of Pain shield/reflect damage all in one.
Lasts 6 seconds unless people are stupid enough to hit you. Try using a CC on a marauder/sent that has it up. When it ends? They are the softest target in the game.

Saber Ward - reduces melee and tech defenses by 50% and reduces all force damage by 25% for 12 seconds, MUCH better then our shield which will last about 3 seconds for a static amount.
Most fail comparison ever. 3 min cooldown vs shield which can be casted twice in any pvp encounter, can be given to other people. Fail 3.

Force Charge- built in jump to target with an 2 second imobilize and interupt, giveing you a 30m itnerupt.
Yeah we use our charge only for interupts...not to get back to the target or anything...Cus you know there aren't a ton of knockbacks, stuns, slows and roots in this game. Fail 4.

A hybrid sage/sorc brings more CC (stuns are the best CC in the game and yours is ranged), has more survival in a group settings, does equal dmg to a pure dps spec, can throw instant heals (shields which can't be dispelled) on other players, can dispel CC off players, and is a stupidly easy to play class who has to worry less about resources and managing them then any class in the game.

There are what? 200 "good" sages/sorcs on every realm? And 5 marauders/sents combined? LOL. I am sure it is cus all the good players rolled sorcs right? Oh wait...many of us beta tested sorc, reported the hybrid spec as OP, too simple to play and simply no fun. We also said the resolve system sucked, ranged stuns was a horrid idea and that people would just stack ranged stuns and sorcs up the wazoo.

Like I said feel free to roll a sent/marauder. Just because other people can lead dmg on them? Doesn't mean you will do half the dmg you do on a faceroll class that is the most stupidly OP ranged class ever seen in an MMO.

About the only class/spec that half the people in this thread could even approach the dmg they do on their sage/sorc is a commando/merc that has nowhere near the utility, sucks at off healing and has a cast time on their CC (not the stun). They are also completely screwed by interupts and line of site because they have no passive dmg.

But whatever. Please roll a marauder. I love clownstomping kids on my sentinel who can't break 100 k on a melee class. Funny thing? I bet some of them are as good or better then you at the game. They just didn't roll one of the two faceroll classes. Don't worry they got the memo. See the 10-49 brackets as proof. Out of the 10 games I played tonight. Half had ALL sages and commandos in them lol. Soon Republic will be as "skilled" as Empire.

If I am going to play a ranged class I will play WoW. At least I have to time things, my CC has cast times other then roots and those can be dispelled as soon as they are put on (no 6 second dispel timer).

Sorc/Sages are not fun, are not challenging and are simply too good when hybrid specced. The only class that comes close to them in this game as dps in a warzone is a extremely well played marauder/sent and I can do better on the sage/sorc then my sent/marauder which brings us to..

Why bother. As a sage/sorc I can sit back do more dmg, with an easier playstyle, throw out heals, dispel cc off teammates and not be kited/rooted/stunned/knockedback to the point it just isn't even fun. Yeah I can lead dmg on my sent/marauder and actually get to hit my target 3 out of every 10 seconds. Why am I leading dmg? Cus these kids can't even play an OP spec right, most are specced wrong, and most use about 1/3rd of their abilities but can be right under me in dmg lol.

They can balance the game, rework the resolve system or we will all go back to WoW when pandas hit. The game can be fixed and they need to start with the hybrid spec sorc/sage. It is the most glaring OP spec in this game with healing sorc right behind it.

Then we only have one stun, besides you missed the part where I said stun/MEZ

A) not if speced into it
B) how can intsant spells be interupted, I would love to know.

Not sure how this is even related.... But we need the less damage.. Remember I have no armor, I have no hps and you are one of the hardest hitting classes in the game.

Again, you are one of the hardest hitting classes in the game 5% less healing is still a lot vs you, especially when my heals are crap anyways....

Did you forget that your force charge interupts, and is ranged and also immobilizes and closes the distance?

Do you know what kitting is? if I am standing still I am not kiting, and you still have TWO ways around it.

BS sorcs are always the softest.

Most failed logic ever on your part... It can only be cast 2time in combat if I prepare for said combat.. Instant combat, which is still combat, it cant be cast 2 times on because I die in 17 seconds 1v1... In addition if I prepare for it you have 7+ seconds ever combat where I am avoiding all combat.

Just because you dont use something doesnt mean you cant, not to mention you have a secondary leap for this... And I am sorry if you are not using your leap to interupt there is a problem with you...

According to your logic, that stuns dont break on damage, we only have one stun, so it is not the most.

I would love to see how we burst the same as a pure dps spec

our "heal" which is really a protection not a heal, is once ever 17 seconds..

citation please? anyone can make up stats

I have a maurader, have stated this before.

It has way more burst, and more surviability.

Again, I already have one.

Do me a favor and post a screenshot of your dmg as a marauder. Seeing that in the last thread you thought marauders and sents had force push (LOL) you know what? Don't bother.

Just keep posting more crap about how CC's that break on dmg are stuns, and try to explain to people that sage/sorc are somehow the only class in the game balanced around hybrid specs that no other classes are allowed to have, and the ones that did have them? Got nerfed, even though I never saw one thread complaining about the spec.

Spin it all you want. Your posts simply aren't worth responding to or reading anymore. I don't know how anyone can take you seriously at this point, or care about anything you post.

I will be back to this forum when the inevitable nerf comes and hopefully it isn't a "to the ground" nerf (I don't like to see classes become non viable like a scoundrel/op as dps in pve).

I will just say simply... I told you so and have fun leveling your merc/commando.

You again with this nonsense.. I have already stated SEVERAL TIMES I forgot to move that one out of my list I was seperating.

Again, all the ones that break I called stun/MEZ, and if you dont wanna count them then sorcs only have ONE stun.

So what you are trying to tell us is that 8 sorcs would not be able to beat 5 sentinels?

And at what point in this story did you wake up?

Just acknowledge that fact that the class is broken instead of putting up redicilous statements such as this.

For the sake of the game it needs to be rebalanced.