Alot people forget that this game is new...

i'm think i rather hav a game that in it vannila mode vs one thtas has 100s of added thigns to it. While this MMO is new and there a fair number of older WOW+older MMO Vets on. there also alot of newer poeple that giving a MMO a TRY fro the first time and do not get the issues a Vet would of. BW release a Basic version fo teh game, looking at the data flowing in, turing it to something useful, relae a patch, Add function X that the majority seem to want, reinse and repeat.

i mean the new poeple have not clue and would not miss thigns like DBM,Recount,Combat logs, how games X did this why it not here whinning bs.

instead they are either " i can not find a group, is it posible to get a way to find one faster?" or " i find group easily and having fun"

Some times beinga vet can be a bad thing, it taints how you see things if you used to a certain style of game play. i myself a long time MMO player. Eq,OU, etc.However i only rate a game on how IT is doing not looking at another game and" why can i do this here but i can not do this in this game" i play in the world tehy give me, and if i do not like it, i send a useful e-mail/bug report of why this seem not to work as it should/i want, or i simple stop playing and find something i do enjoy.

Haha, reading that in a Cox voice made it somewhat entertaining...

But one thing I really don't understand is people making arguments for or against the engine when they have no technical knowledge to back up said argument.

Do you know exactly what BW wants the engine to do? Do you exactly what they added or changed about the stock Hero Engine? Do you know exactly what it can or cannot do? Frankly I trust BW's game making experience over some random guy on the internet to have a good reason for choosing it over trying to do something theyv'e never done before and just hoping for the best, or choosing another MMO engine and trying to force it to do something its not suited for.

People are whining for Dungeon Finders, Damage Meters, Threath meters, Healing Meters, Balanced PVP etc etc. And I understand that, cause I want those things aswell.

BUT stop saying that SW:ToR is a failed game because they don't have all this, while for example WoW does. WoW had NOTHING, and I repeat NOTHING, of this at launch.


So let me give you abit of an insight what was available at WoW's launch.

Dungeon Finder? No, there was a tool similiar to the "Who" tool available in SW:ToR. They improved it by time, and so will also BioWare do.

Balanced PVP? Not even close. Some classes was absolutely unbeatable if played with a sense of skill, while some didn't stand a chance even when mastered. This is actually true. PVP in Vanilla WoW was not balanced at all. Not to mention that it took over a year to actually make things kind of balanced.

Different kind of "meters"? No. Damage meters like Recount are add-ons. An add-on is something you add on to your game, to make it better. Add-ons are created by the community. Combat logs are requierd to make add-ons like these and they aren't available yet in SW:ToR. But, people were fine without all those add-ons in the what some call "the best time" of WoW, the start.

Bugged raids? There was not a large amount of bugs in the raids on start, but why? Because nearly all fights were tank and spank, exept Ragnaros and Onyxia, and these bosses didn't have any really complex mechanics. With today's standard of boss fights, it's alot harder to create completely bug-free fights. As time goes, BioWare will fix this issue aswell.



I'm getting tierd of people making assumptions that WoW had everything it has today at start, because it didn't. It's been improving, and SW:ToR will do aswell. The developers have just completed an awesome game, that really gives you a relation to your character, your companions and people you interact with during the story-line. All this due to the absolutely awesome work with the voices and quests overall.


I could make an list what SW:ToR had from the absolute start, that WoW didn't have, but I'll skip that, since it will take ages. Just think of it..

Excuses, This is a 2012 game, it needs to launch with the standard features otherwise why play it? Tera is launching with an LFG tool and a combat log and everything, i'm probably going to switch over to that game because it is going to have everything i want in an MMO right out of the gate.

You still cannot compare TOR launch to WoW launch.
Want to know why?

Because when you release game with the intention of beating the heavy competition, then you have something that can compete with them. Such as a LFG tool or anything else this sinking ship is lacking.
THEN you add something new and innovative and win.

If you do not start out on a competitive level from the start, you're years behind.

basicly people feel if swtor didnt launch with

10mil players
LFG tool
27 raids
67 dungeons
8 battlegrounds



than it is a fail boat.....

You still cannot compare TOR launch to WoW launch.
Want to know why?

Because when you release game with the intention of beating the heavy competition, then you have something that can compete with them. Such as a LFG tool or anything else this sinking ship is lacking.
THEN you add something new and innovative and win.

If you do not start out on a competitive level from the start, you're years behind.