The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

Freecast to have "unlimited" force you dolt. Of course we cast other spells in that time of a lockout but newsflash if we cannot cast TK Throw most of the time we cannot maintain a high force pool for long.

Making up numbers. Good job boy. /pat head.
Also the resource cost is not 66% less unless of course you want to make us believe that Force = Energy.
Too bad it doesn't work that way.

100 divided by 8 = 12 seconds to get full energy pool back.
600 divided by 8 = 75 seconds to get full force pool back.
See slight difference here?

Edit: Also I want my free resource cost heal which gives me back force when it crits!

Damn why are classes different. That is really mean.

For one, If you're having force problems at all, again, it looks like it's time to reroll. I've got no idea what you're spamming to run out of force so fast, but it sounds like you're using force storm every gcd if you're running out of force in 10 seconds like you claim. Sorcerers require next to no resource management so you've got to be doing something really awful to screw that up.


Two, Okay, I'll trade it for three times the relative resource pool. You can get three times as many heals off without running out, if you don't think that's a massive advantage you're completely blind.

Explain to me how on earth a scoundrel regens 8 energy per second...?


And the free resource heal crits for ~ 100. Not 1000, 100.

Smuggler has a variable energy regen... if you drain your energy pool you have 2/s regen until you get to 30, then 3/s until you get to 50 then its 4/s till you get to 65 or so then its 5/s....

Dps Sorc healing themselves to full health? If you can't interrupt a dps Sorc or sage from healing back to full then you are just terrible, no offense. Their heals suck and are very slow to cast.

I do not have to reroll I know by now that you have 0 clue. I already proved you wrong that our spells cost "only" 45 force max when already our most important defence tool costs 65 force which goes by the name Force Armor in case you do not know what I am talking about.

Claiming you have no force problems is simply a lie. I have enough experience to know that because when you get constantly interupted on TK Throw so you cannot maintain a high pool and then being forced to spam your 50+ force cost abilities makes you running out of force fast. Anyone claiming otherwise has 0 clue.

You either do not play this class or you lie. Proven by numbers.

1.) True but the slowed regenration starts at 40%. At least on my Scoundrel it starts to decrease at 40 Energy when I hover over the energy bar to read my regeneration rates. Also the arrows are an indicator for that and I am at full 3 arrows until 40 energy. So either you got it wrong or the tooltip on the energy bar.

2.) You have 2 base abilities which helps you with the regeneration which are resource free. One ups your regeneration by flat 3 energy per second and the other gives at least 50 energy back, 76 with talents.

3.) You have resource free heals. When specced into it crits from Diagnostic Scan regenerate energy and you can specc for 24% extra critical strike chance on Med Scan. This is for healers only of course.

No no, you see, we here compare class without any skills and terribad players to good sorcs.

Thats the problem, terribad players cant kill good sorc so we need to nerf sorc so any class played by terriabd player can kill a sorc

To OOF in 10 seconds, which you claimed you were doing, you need to waste 100 energy every global cooldown. The ONLY way to do that is to use thunderstorm on every global cooldown.


As far as damaging abilities go, which is what you were complaining about, Shock is our biggest force dump (You shouldn't REALLY be using it anyways, the damage is awful) and costs 45 focus. Force armor isn't nearly as big a force dump as shock because assuming you use it on yourself its cooldown is 3x as long.

As for other instants we've got affliction, 35 force, Creeping terror, 20 force, Death field, 50 force, Overload, 20 force, Cl & LS in hybrid, 50 and 30 force respectively, electro/ww 20 force each, and crushing darkness at 40 force.


None of those cost anywhere near the amount of force you'd need to run out in any reasonable amount of time. Seeing as you regen some 12 force per gcd so that gives these an average of around minus 20 force per GCD


That means you would need to be spamming instants for 30 seconds straight without getting a single force lightning off, or killing your target. In which case you should really consider not pvping anymore.


Not to mention, even that scenario is impossible as those ALL have cooldowns making it impossible to spam them for 30 seconds straight unless you're reapplying dots at 50% completion.

If you're having any force problems it's a l2p issue.

The sorcs in this thread are really living up to the class stereotype gz