The reason Sorcerer/Sage CC is OP in PvP

I'm not proposing a nerf to the Lightning tree. I'm proposing that the lower tier talents cost more while the higher tier talents cost less so that those two talents I talked about in the OP can be moved up to deny access to the hybrid specs. Full tree builds wouldn't be effected. Hybrid specs would still work but the CC heavy type would no longer be untouchable.

Assassins and Ops are totally different beasts whos classes are built on stealth. Not close to the same thing. PTs and Jugs don't have escapes.

The point of this isn't really to discuss force camo as I honestly have no problem with it. But, when you go down the line of logic you've taken, there is no need for that escape skill for a class as devastatingly powerful as mara/sent.

Hedaar soongh or some backwater server like that. I want to roll a toon on fatman. Worth it?

[ ] yes
[ ] no
[x] maybe
[x] only interested in making out by the monkey bars

Then which specific talents would you move DOWN the tree? All I see is you complaining about the CC and saying they should be moved up. What should be moved down to take their place? Bear in mind that the tree still has to be viable as a leveling and dps tree. Backlash is ALREADY a tier 4 ability - just how much higher do you think it should be moved? All the tier 5 talents tie into each other, or lead directly into our one and only tier 6 talent in that tree, so I have a hard time seeing how you'd move backlash higher than it is now without major restructuring. Even electric bindings is a tier 3 talent. It's not like these are available just by dipping 3-7 points into another tree. Both these talents require significant investment of points.

TBH, I don't even see why you consider this a big deal - if it wasn't for CL procs off wrath, no one would be tempted to even hybrid into this tree at all. Honestly - is there ANYONE who would go into this tree for EB and Backlash, if they coudn't cast CL off Wrath procs anymore? I highly doubt it.

Also bear in mind that it's our worst tree already. Changing it too drastically will make it even less desirable than it already is. There's a reason people go full corruption or full madness, but the only people using lightning tree are hybrids.

Pot meet kettle. Give it up man.

I pointed out obvious counters to those things. The problem is people cry nerf on anything that their class can't faceroll into the ground because they're bad, lazy, the paper to scissors, undergeared, poorly spec'd, or any other number of reasons. Melee toons have trouble dealing with CC because of their limited range. I get it. I am a JG. Yet, here I am....saying things are fine.

However, if all you're getting out of what I've said is what you posted; then you're pointless to reply to as you'll continue posting the above until I agree with you.

"Devastatingly powerful"? Not sure where that's coming from but whatever.

The problem is the bubble stun isn't really comparable to anything else in the game. A Sorcerer that isn't specced into it can still do fine. A Sorcerer that truly abuses the skill is one of the hardest targets to kill. It's overpowered. Nothing else even comes close to being so strong(power and CD) in terms of hard CCs.

"Devastatingly powerful"? Not sure where that's coming from but whatever.

The problem is the bubble stun isn't really comparable to anything else in the game. A Sorcerer that isn't specced into it can still do fine. A Sorcerer that truly abuses the skill is one of the hardest targets to kill. It's overpowered. Nothing else even comes close to being so strong(power and CD) in terms of hard CCs.

I'm proposing that the higher tier talents like the +50% crit damage talent and forked lightning cost less points so that Backlash and Electric Bindings can be moved up. Some of the lower tier talents can cost more to compensate. For example Lightning Storm can consist of 3 points instead of 1.

Fatman isn't great, isn't bad, but that might be chalked up to how bad PvP in this game is. But it's steady PvP (WZ's anyways)....World PvP does not exist, unless you count the pickle tickle at the Reb base getting dailys done.