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Pros and Cons of Dual Advanced Classes

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Pros and Cons of Dual Advanced Classes

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Emeda
02.15.2012 , 12:13 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Lord_Scythe View Post
Your not getting dual AC. There were polls done and the majority of the community were against it. Sounded like the Dev team did not like the idea either from some of their posts.
What polls? any links to them.
If this game is so great then why do so many people that love the game spend all their time in the forums?

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Reynnas
02.15.2012 , 12:19 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Emeda View Post
Pros/Why
-Feeling more bonded to your character
Not really since one day you can be a healer and 5 min later you can be a tank then 10 mins later your a DPS. Yes your playing the same toon but even you dont know who you really are.
-Less time spent leveling alts(depends on whether or not you enjoy it)
Well right now thats the only thing to do in this game.Just look at all the people who love this game and 99% say role an alt if you want to play the game and have content.
-Less time spent gearing alts(datacrons especially)
Thats what 2-3 hours to get them all (minus the ballon ride and the +10)
-More trade due to people(who don't enjoy leveling alts) buying craftable items for both of their ACs
What craftable items do you really by in this game? really, that you would actually list this as a pro.
-I feel more powerful if I can choose to be any of the three, rather than an army of alts specialized into one AC.
-I personally enjoy PvP quite a bit in this game, and even though there aren't as many endgame options as in WoW or Rift, there will eventually be more as the games evolves.
-2-3 hours I could spent doing something I enjoy and getting something more powerful. And a response to this would probably be that datacrons are optional but you want to do anything you can to help your character grow, and this has more immediate results than farming gear(which is more fun).
-It is a minor pro, I admit that.

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HelinCarnate
02.15.2012 , 12:20 AM | #33
Because there are not enough Troopers and Consulars on Republic side. And we could sure use more Bounty hunters and Inquisitors on Empire side.

Why play a class that is limited to heals/damage or tank/damage when you can do tank/heals/damage depending on your mood.

Dual AC would make this a 2 class game instead of an 8 class game.
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Reynnas
02.15.2012 , 12:22 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Coiffio View Post
You already pointed out why I hope this is never implemented OP. Some jack hole being in the group and then rolling on items for their "other" AC, completely disregarding the ones present who can use it. This happened in wow, and it just ticked me off. If you queued as a tank, then stop taking the dps gear for your "other spec"
I also tried pointing out some solutions. In WoW, if someone cross-realm is on ignore, I don't think you're grouped with them, and if you ignore someone on your server, then you never have to group with them.

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Russkiier
02.15.2012 , 12:26 AM | #35
Dual AC is something that should not happen. I am ambivalent about dual spec (within the advanced class), but the advanced classes are, in my experience, different playstyles
Class: Sith Inquisitor
AC: Sorceror
Role: Ranged Healer OR Ranged DPS
AC: Assassin
Role: Melee tank OR Melee DPS

Both AC's have different abilities, as a sorceror I probably use 3-4 skills available to the assassin (lightning strike, double slash, force lightning, crushing darkness?) [correct me if any of those skills aren't assassin]

as a healer i would have no idea how the mechanics of a tank-asin work, and as such be a detriment to my party

The imperial agent is another example
AC: sniper
ranged dps
AC: operative
Stealth dps or Stealth healer
knowing how to play sniper is not indicative of knowing how to play an operative

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xyloh
02.15.2012 , 12:27 AM | #36
Personally as nice as it would be not having to level an alt because at level 30 I wish I chose the other advanced class would be nice... but I have to say NO to being able to be both Shadow and Sage, Gunslinger and Scoundrel, etc etc etc...

For one... in the other MMO I played... Druids/Palies abused the fact that they could play multiple roles WAYYYYYY to much.

"Hey guys I wanna be a tank"

Next week: "Hey guys I'll heal if you need me too"

Next week: "Healing is boring, I'm going to DPS"

Next week: "Hey guys need me to tank again??"


Yeah... not interested in loot whores and spec swappers especially since respec is free once a week...

The only way I will consider/endorse swapping advanced class... is if it's before end game... and preferably before level 40 as I hope people would actually learn how to use all their skills once swapped.

But personally I researched classes/Advanced Classes and I am happy with my main other than I cannot get the color saber of choice since it is not available to republic at all.

Think about your play style and live with it.
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Zachajariah
02.15.2012 , 12:28 AM | #37
They already said no AC respecs. Can we just move on?

If you roll a Jedi shadow, under no circumstances should you be allowed to switch to a sage; go back to WoW.

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Atrix
02.15.2012 , 12:29 AM | #38
Why is this still being discussed? It was shot down.

The major problem here is BioWare chose the wrong wording when describing the initial type of character you choose. In all honesty the Trooper, BH, Smuggler, Knight, Consular, Inquisitor, IA, and Warrior should have been called... STORYLINES.

Then as you move up through the starting areas and get use to basic abilities and playstyles, you can pick your true CLASS.

If you don't like the way the character class system is here, stop playing. It isn't going to change and shouldn't. Blizzard isn't going to let you dual spec Priest and Shaman. The comment was made that the core abilities are the same. I like how it gives you the taste of very basic abilities early on to help you decide which want you want to go. However, you don't really see Sorcerers running around using Thrash or Saber Strike all the time - well unless they aren't aware of what their class is. LOL

Just like in WOW every class can sit there and melee a target, not that it is going to do much for casters. Mages have Fireball, Warlocks have Shadow Bolt...essentially the same spell just a different graphic. You could argue those are almost the same core abilities. Should Blizzard allow people to dual spec Mage & Warlock on one character? No. That's just stupid.

BioWare did a different spin on the introductory storylines. Instead of basing them off of race like WOW does, they based it off of the background story of the character. My character can have roots as either a Bounty Hunter or Imperial Agent and begins their journey from there. Being Chiss or whatever doesn't really mean anything. Just like starting out in WOW as a Mage or Warlock doesn't really mean much. Death Knight is really the only time you are going to see full story immersion into a class storyline.

I really don't see the point behind all this. At the end of the day dual or respecing Advance Classes will never happen. Not all games are created equal and the biggest issue BioWare has right now is all these people trained in the thinking of Blizzard and WOW applying those same definitions here. They don't apply. This is Bioware's world and not Blizzard's. If you like the other system better, by all means and head back.

Let's stop wasting time of the Devs and others on issues that are already dead.
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Reynnas
02.15.2012 , 12:30 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by HelinCarnate View Post
Because there are not enough Troopers and Consulars on Republic side. And we could sure use more Bounty hunters and Inquisitors on Empire side.

Why play a class that is limited to heals/damage or tank/damage when you can do tank/heals/damage depending on your mood.

Dual AC would make this a 2 class game instead of an 8 class game.
Because you enjoy the playstyle or even look of the limited class or you don't like one of the combat roles at all. I don't understand why people are so intent on wanting people to play classes that they don't like or trying to alter someone's preferred playstyle or role. Also, I don't see why they're so determined with having more classes. If a class is underplayed, everyone who is for balanced class representation can make one if they're that resolute in their stance.

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Reynnas
02.15.2012 , 12:33 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Zachajariah View Post
They already said no AC respecs. Can we just move on?

If you roll a Jedi shadow, under no circumstances should you be allowed to switch to a sage; go back to WoW.
This is about pros and cons, not what BW says. Reinforce why you think they shouldn't be allowed to switch with your thoughts. And please keep it civil/non-flaming/etc.