The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

you mean those duels where a sorc cant even go to max range without the duel cancelling from range.. yeh ok. Also if youd "done enough pvp" you would know that sorc cc and damage doesn't blow anyone up. YES several sorcs together blow **** to the sky. one on their own, not so much. Also. classes are not balanced round 1v1 so dueling gives no reliable data.

as has been said before sorc burst is lacking unless your runing a high surge lightning 31 pointer. sustained dmg on the other hand is good. IF you allow a madness sorc to get several wrath procs then its a l2p issue. lock out force lightning and wrath is gone. then CL is gone leaving only dots. in the spec shown by the OP they will be weakewr than average and you should have no issue beating them as the cc will fill resolve and you have cc yourself.

in a wz if im left alone i hurt people. and i hurt bad. what generally happens is i face people who are not bad and who tunnel the crap out of me at first sight removing any issue from the immediate combat. BUT as said above. i only get that high damage through being able to spam FL. lock that down and i dont get CL out. leaving me with a dot spread + death field every 15seconds.

actually lets take a look at the his UNTALENTED abilities

Intimidating Roar - Untalented 6 second AOE stun/mes
Force Push 2 second stun/mes
Force Choke 3 second stun
Predation 10 second run speed increase for a group
Deadly Throw reduces healing to the target
Disruption interupt
Crippling Slash 50% slow for 12 seconds
Cloak of Pain shield/reflect damage all in one
Saber Ward - reduces melee and tech defenses by 50% and reduces all force damage by 25% for 12 seconds, MUCH better then our shield which will last about 3 seconds for a static amount.
Force Charge- built in jump to target with an 2 second imobilize and interupt, giveing you a 30m interrupt.

This does not even mention things like increases to all that, but every time he uses his CC breaker he gets 10% of his health back and such.

1. It's situational. Earlier in the thread you the topic that was being argued was damage on the move. If a Sorcerer is running away and trying to do damage on the move he has tab affliction and a few instants. If a Sorcerer is attempting to simply escape to another area entirely then there's no reason for him to even be using damaging abilities. It's a similar situation presented(Sorcerer running away) but the goal of the Sorcerer in the two situations is different.

2. I too think making resolve at least 30% more effective towards all CC and having it effect roots would be enough to push Sorcerers using CC heavy specs into balance. The problem is that's a huge game changing theoretical patch. It's not something you simply wait for when considering class balance. If they ever change resolve then sure, rebuff some CC. For now though the current resolve system allows too much dominance through CC. The classes need to be balanced around current game mechanics, not future potential game mechanics that haven't even been hinted at by any devs. It's like saying all burst classes need a 500% buff to their burst damage because if they changed health pools(like from WotLK to Cata in that other game) to be 5x larger the burst would be insignificant.

You're confusing Juggernaut and Marauder abilities and mixing them together to create a super-AC. Go on Torhead and look up the abilities an talents. It's what I do when a class is mentioned and I haven't played it much yet.

You also conveniently ignore the cooldowns/costs of the abilities. If you look at my OP I include all of that information to make an accurate comparison.

So you use ALL PVE gear in PVP?!? Yes, you top meters, but your complaining about Sorc being OP? Really? Your fighting an uphill battle. Regardless of your stats, you hit on average 10% less and they hit 10% more. (Obviously that % varies with gear)

Your class gets:
An instant Stun that you don't have to talent, just like our Talented Whirlwind (Intimidating Roar)
A Vanish to get out, making you disappear from everyone. (Force Camouflage)

A channeled Stun that does damage, making your enemy not able to do anything; unless they break it. (Force Choke)

An interupt preventing that spell from being cast for 4 secs (Disruption)

An ability that reduces all damage by 20% for 6-30 secs and deals damage to your attacker. That will be WAY more damage reduction then ANY shield used by a sorc. (Cloak of Pain)

Another ability that increasing melee and ranged defenses by 50% and reducing the damage taken from Force and tech attacks by 25%. Lasts 12 seconds. Could be argued that its better than our bubble, it all depends on how many people are attacking. (Saber Ward)

And you have Force Charge

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All those abilities and you can't seem to get to a Sorc, Stay and stay on him to kill him? You got so angry you had to create a very long post, in which you obviously spent time on, and scream to get Sorc's nerfed.

So yes, I ended my thread with you got outplayed. Because its the only thing that makes logical sense, why else would you need Sorc's to be nerfed? You use PVE gear in PVP and you're getting so upset you have to make posts about it.

While I agree with your sentiment, I can't agree w/ your methodology.

Nerfing all utility classes because Resolve is broken, then fixing Resolve, then buffing the utility classes to not suck is a far less elegant solution than simply fixing Resolve and being done w/ it.

Warrior - Intimidating Roar - Untalented 6 second AOE stun/mes
Sorry my bad thought got all the jugs out-Force Push 2 second stun/mes
warrior - Force Choke 3 second stun
Marauder -Predation 10 second run speed increase for a group
Marauder -Deadly Throw reduces healing to the target
Warrior - Disruption interupt
Marauder - Crippling Slash 50% slow for 12 seconds
Marauder -Cloak of Pain shield/reflect damage all in one
warrior -Saber Ward - reduces melee and tech defenses by 50% and reduces all force damage by 25% for 12 seconds, MUCH better then our shield which will last about 3 seconds for a static amount.
warrior - Force Charge- built in jump to target with an 2 second imobilize and interupt, giveing you a 30m interrupt.

So that one ability, force throw was the only mistakenly jug ability in there, yet was all that, in your mind, makes to invalidate the post?

Also I left the costs/cooldowns out because if I did that I would have to add talents, like you did, which would make it worst then that.

Comparing completely different classes' CC abilities is not a very good metric w/out considering all of the other different mechanics that effect both classes.

Either way, it's a poor metric, because different classes are different.

It's actual performance that we should be looking at, and w/out a combat log, it unfortunately boils down to pure perception and anecdotal evidence at this point.

ive said this about 4billion times in this thread and the OP ignores it every time and has dragged it out over 100 pages.

I understand and agree, however against someone like him who relies on nothing but the abilities, that is all there is.