The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

my max range is 35meters. thats for a shock. rest is 30m. i don't see how you have an issue

Please don't stir up the global warming hornets' nest.

The Sorc one is bad enough as it is.

I don't know about others, but for me, you've demonstrated a slight lack in your understanding of the game mechanics, so that is where the "L2P" part comes in. I don't think anyone w/ a modicum of intelligence is saying that you are a bad Marauder, or anything like that.

There are just some misconceptions and contradictions in your post history for this thread that don't lend themselves very well to your argument, and when these things are pointed out to you, they are simply dismissed w/out a second thought.

For example, earlier in the thread you mention that any Sorc would be stupid not to be using his gcd's to tab-dot Affliction on everyone around them if they are focused and forced to run. Later on in the thread, you say that any Sorc would be stupid to use dots on anyone other than the 1 person he is fighting if trying to make an active escape. Things like this are confusing and directly contradictory, y'know?

You've since corrected a number of the fallacies, which is a step in the right direction.

I honestly think that a fix to Resolve, and making it effect roots would do a lot to tone down the hybrid w/out directly manipulating the trees. Do that, and make the 31 point talents more attractive, and a lot less people would feel that giving up the top damage talents is worth the utility.

actaually you do. You cant just list a series of cc and go "SEE DEY IS OP DERP" you have to look at t% usage, uptime, downtime, negation through resolve, failure to activate properly. How effective is it really? is the class dominating because of it? if the class weak in areas? if we nerf the **** outa this specific cc what will it do to survival on the whole. What will it do to the spec? will it force to 31 point builds? are those properly balanced? ect ect ect then compare said data to the same data from other classes and so on.

you have NONE of this info therfore your point is mute and this thread is pointless. any ****** can say <class> has 42cc and <class> only has 3 that means first one is OP derp. but unless you truely understand the data behind them you cant comment. I dont see single sorcs holding off 6/7 enemies in aoe slows and stuns. I dont see sorcs becoming immortal through cd use for periods of time. I dont see single sorcs game breaking in WZ like some other classes can do.
stop crying so hard and listen to what people tell you. the fact you dont even play the class says evrything

I see Madness and Corruption spec'd Sorcs all the time. Obviously not everyone is doing it.

A good Madness Sorc will make you WISH you were fighting a hybrid, lol.

If you really want to complain about something being overpowered? Corruption/Madness hybrid. Those guys are the true pains, imo.

Here. After showing how a Sorcerer can escape 30 meters using short CD CCs you still keep trying to argue that it's "not far enough". After it had already been proven that they have the best escape mechanisms you say it's not enough to be OP. Overpowered means something is more powerful than it needs to be. To find out if something is overpowered you compare it to similar abilities/mechanics/classes/etc.


You in response to "Sorcerers have an answer for every situation". No class has something for every situation except Sorcerers. That's what we've been arguing. They have the most utility of any class by far. They have EVERYTHING except stealth.

a fix to resolve on roots is 100% needed. being chain force leaped 3 times and eating a fullroot each time is anoying. As for making specs more attractive. maddness spec will always at present work for CL as their wrath filler. the damage drop from losing the 31 pointer is mor e than made up for by CL due to its output damage. Moving cl higher into lightning forces you into either using wrath on CrushD which may not always be available leaving you firing out lightning blasts which hit for pretty much feck all tbh.

a nerf to sorc hybrids will require a full rebuild of both sorc dps trees otherwise the class provides nothing and just forces anyone currently playing a sorc to be a healer. which will piss a lot of people off.

Not to mention the sorc is the only caster dps in game atm (NO BH,snipers ect dont count they use guns!)

Lmao combat logs? Stop harping on that junk. It's called getting a couple friends, dueling under various controlled situations, and analyzing the recorded data. You don't need a friggin computer algorithm to do it for you. Also, when you pvp enough, you know EXACTLY who's dmg/cc's are blowing you up and who is not. You also get to know where your class stands.

Don't get me wrong, combat logs are a great tool. But they are by no means the ONLY accurate way to determine dps. The same data that combat logs use are easily available to players ingame. With easily obtainable input (through duels and pve) plugged into simple equations you can see EXACTLY what your effective dps is in under 5 minutes.

No combat log needed.

As far as I'm aware immobilize is the same thing as root. Doesn't your leap immobilize? Tendon Blast is an immobilize. I think you're mixing up the Backlash shield with this, I almost did in a earlier post. =)

To be fair, I'm pretty sure it only fills about 30% of the resolve bar. I can't test because I'm 13/28 at the moment.

they don't have EVERYTHING at all. not even close. They also dont have the best escape mechanisms. They have 1 escape mechanism that's easily stopped by anyone with a brain not to mention that vanish, force cloak are by far better escapes.

but as you clearly are not prepared to listen to what people say and just argue with random ppl you think you can win against i thin im just going to give up on you and report you for endless trolling

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does not say we have more, let alone more by far, nothing about squeakiness of armor....