The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

Actually you know that to be entirely false.. I have pointed out very many flaws in your logic, however you go NO! I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO DO THAT!.. I apologize that you cant get through to me, it is because I require logic, not personal opinions to change my mind.

You really still peddling this thread? When will you realise that your utterly wrong? Is you inability to play your own class so bad you feelthe need to call nerf on others?

The fact you claim sorcs can do 10k single target dmg in 3gcd alone is pretty hilarious. Even if that did happen the sorc is heavily stacking stims + relic procs and after that initial hit they have nothing left but some more FL lightning spam leaving them to be locked down.#

The spec you keep linking is terrible. The fact you put lightning sotrm in their makes it even more hilarious considering a madness sorc will pretty much never use lightning strike unless its a last resort. Its also missing pretty vital health regen talents aswell as damage modifiers.

that spec you linked will do nothing but help keep a sorc alive. thats it. the damage output of it will be low to mediocre and considering once you force a sorc mobile all they have is ot amage and a few instants those talents really are required.

a sorc doing high damage is a glass cannon. a sorc with high survival wont do near as much damage. yes they may live longer but thats about it.

Your comeback is to waaaaa about the final line of his extremely lengthy post that completely refuted your every point. GG

In previous pages your excuse was basically "Well they have more CC and control than any other class by far and their bubble makes them not much squisher than a medium/heavy armor wearer... BUT I STILL NEED PROOF THAT HAVING ALL THAT MAKES THEM OP."

I think if switch from wanting single tree speced to be the best to wanting more effective way to hybrid.We will find specing more engaging and rewarding.

"what the best spec for {insert class}" normal response "whatever your enjoy playing".
reality is we still till this day no matter how much we say we hate it push people to one or two builds for thier class why becuase everyone wants the easy route and hybrid specs suck in most games. The turth is we want freedom to create our own playstyle but not the other guy he migh make something better. Also we want have set understanding of what a class can do. If someone plays their class in diffrent way from what you except people cry for them to be nerfed. IE please kill this spec. and so it dies and the class becomes less interesting and the fights more the same.

With 31 spec tress you know what your getting into at most you only got deal with 4 diffrent playstyles, why bother remenbering the other possible the well suck anyway becuase they are hybrids therefore there is no way they can beat me and my great 31 tree spec.

I say create more hybrids make them more OP than what u can have from 31 specs, increace the unexcepted.

comparative analysis? so you have combat log parses? and accurate data and figures regarding this? If so please share with the rest of us. If not stop chatting crap and claiming its "comparative analysis" because it is just YOUR opinion and nothing else.

coime back with actuall data and credible evidence and people may take you a little more seriously

please quote me on that, I would love for you to try and do that...because nothing I ever said comes close to that.

Except there will always be a "Best" spec. The hybrid is currently the "Best" spec and as a result every single person is using the Wrath/CL build. It's not any more unique/creative than a 31-point build if EVERYONE is doing it. Besides that who the heck cares if it's unique or creative? It's a freakin talent spec.

Because I need combat logs to compare CC capabilites of different classes/spec. Right.

Honestly the only prob i have witg sorc classes are their ranges. Bring em down a little to like 25m