Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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If anything my numbers are low. TBC launched Jan of 07, WoTLK end of 08, Cata Dec 2011. Almost none of there growth happened after LFG was implemented.

Same-server wouldn't see any major negatives. Cross-server does detract from the sense of community though (the "I'm never going to see them again, why should I bother being polite?" mentality, mainly).

you - along with everyone else - have never explained what was broken in the community by LFG.

I can only assume you mean what - its harder for you to find people not using the LFG tool and form groups with?

So the years and years that passed since Vanilla was not enough time for you to build enough relationships to have a group of people to group with?

You can't be referring to anything else - I remember barrens chat. I recall that pretty much every night on every server there are typically hours of trade chat involving the world A NAL and then shift clicking skills and items after it.

Some kid earlier said he and his rl friends in their guild got burnt out because the community is crushed. You guys are just saying community because you heard someone else say it.

You dont even know what you are talking about.

You have evidence of this? How do you know the person who was a jerk to you is not a jerk to everyone?(answer - you don't) LFG is not causing people to be jerks. It's allowing most people to join dungeons groups a HECK of a lot more often which is just putting them in contact with jerks.

Why would how someone acts on another server "break" the community of YOUR server?

People are just repeating this as if it makes sense and it does not.

So blizzard introduced LFR as a way to get easy loot and not so people could actual get a group to play the game and see content.

Players without having LFR made groups for the PVP raid and saw the content with only using players from their server.

And your calling it a success so Bioware should add it also so people can get a group to see the content when even you just said thats not why people use it.

So we need this so that we can get groups even though blizzard had to make it stupid easy and give out free gear so people would use it often so they could call it a success. Should Bioware also nerf the already easy heroics (which are not heroic but really just lower level flashpoints tuned to level 50 instead of the lower level) so that people will run them so they become a success also.

I am completely confused by this as well.

As far as I know Blizzard introduced LFG and LFR so people who typically would/could not experience that content would have the opportunity(people like me for instance who had never been on a 25-man raid prior to LFR).

I dont recall anyone giving me any free gear. I was just able to jump into a group, do content, and earn the gear...the same way I would earn it if I had been forced to spend hours putting a group together spamming a chat channel.

so whats the problem again?


oh wait - editing this because I just now remembered the problem - people are mad that unlike some of them during the time they had available to spend mindlessly spamming chat, I was just not able to be logged on and do the content - and now I can do the same content they were forced to spend 10x's the amount of time as me and are pissy about it.

awhhhhwwww poor babies. huggles. Man I didnt have to spam chat ONCE to find a group for any heroics I ever did in wow! awesome for me!

From that chart it looks like they never had a decline in subs until casual friendly wrath was released.

Also from the the chart if all the casuals quit because cata was to hard that means there are only 2 million casuals max and 10 million hardcore players. Have to love when the minority is 5x larger than the majority.

Once upon a time, in a galaxy far far away on the small world of Azeroth there was an amazing thing that happened, people made friends in the game. People would form groups, get to know others, run instances, talk, what have you. If you needed a group for something you could ask these people you had on your friends list, and if you weren't a terrible player, or a ninja, or any other form of undesirable, it was rather easy to make groups happen.

Then due to the incessant crying of the vocal minority Blizz implemented a cross server LFG system. From this moment forward, being an ***, a bad player, a ninja or anything else didn't matter at all. No one talked to each other any more, and it became a game of faceless nameless drones. People don't make friends with anyone, there's no interaction, no community what so ever, there is you, the people in your guild, assuming you even talk to them and aren't just there for the perks, and an endless sea of faceless drones to get grouped with for the sake of running instances.

I am actually still friends with quite a few people I played with back in Vanilla, in fact I am playing this game with several of them now. I don't have an issue talking to them and grouping.

There is more about LFG that I have issues with, but there things that may or may not come to be depending on how BW implements it if in fact they do, the other stuff I will just have to wait and see what happens.

LFR and LFD were introduced for very different reasons. LFR was introduced as a band aid fix for a mistake blizzard made when they decided that people should only get one raid lock out 10 or 25 man per week. This decision lead to a siginificant decrease in pug raiding, it made it much harder to recruit and overall it lead to content being far less accessible than in the previous expansions. It was the WORST decision they made in cataclysm by far.

I could agree to a LFD tool if it was limited to every flashpoint being played once/day. I don't want to see people skipping content and leveling by repeating the same flashpoint over and over again. And some may argue that it's not my business how others play the game, but if it makes me sick, it is my business and you should play the game as it was intended.