Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

Good thing you said many. Me, I don't care either way.... I've said this like 10 times, because I can see it helping some, but hurting others. Same can be said if it doesn't come, people who don't like whispering/shouting/whatever for groups, coupled with others who want it "quick like a bunny!" (yay for Mad Moxxi!), and people who have RL commitments that tend to interfere are going to have issues getting groups.

I see it both ways, neither side is right. Neither side should be telling the other side to suck it up and deal with it in any form. Throw in your reasoning without trying to degrade the other side and leave it at that and you'll likely never hear from me again. Unless I have a view and put my opinion in of course.

I'm sorry but do you genuinely believe that swtor is what? harder?

It's structured the exact same way, hard modes for the challenge seekers and everything else for the rest.

Game developers could stand to do a lot better and use their own friggin minds instead of taking their cues and inspirations from one other games and peddling it off to me as some revelation.

I edited it after you acknowledged both sides shouldn't be telling other people what to think.

The argument is simple from my point of view - lfg = more content for more people.

The people arguing against lfg also try to argue that we should do what they do : Find a guild that runs content.

which leads to the most obvious of questions - why would an implementation of an LFG tool stop your guild from running content?

It's an option. There is no objective evidence to suggest it "destroys communities" - anyone who lived through Barrens chat realizes how stupid of an argument this is.

Neither side can say with certainty that more people want it or don't.

However it is probably a fair assumption that the various companies who run Rift, WoW, and SWTOR get more positive than negative feedback on LFG tools.

I can't provide any evidence other than that mmo companies continue to implement these tools and attempt to improve upon them. If they were abject failures they would likely phase them out and future mmo's would not implement them.

As for the arguments. The reason they likely get more positive feedback is simple: LFD tools allow access to content to a larger number of people.

If you are arguing AGAINST LFD tools you are arguing that certain groups of people should not have access to content unless they play the amount of time and the way you do.

I rarely joined server-created groups because much of the time I end up having something come up irl and not being able to finish the run seems a bit unfair to other people - quite frankly it is much easier and less of a dick-move to leave a LFG group because the group can quite simply queue back up and add another player. Server-side groups can not, they go back to spamming channels LFG for blah except they are already in the dungeon and it's not always as simple as just going back to wherver and spamming.

Many of the people who despise LFG are those who dont NEED it to do content and have a superiority complex about their gear score. THey hate the idea that a casual player like myself can now get gear scores close to their own even though I don't spend 90% of my day online and have other responsibilities i attend to irl.

OK how about a compromise - you get your cross server LFD up until 49.

Once you hit 50 no more LFD. Why ...

I don't raid so FP at 50 will be my end game when I get there:-


So at 50 there will be -

1. No free commendations, incentives to reduce queue times;
2. No 'luck of the draw' buff do make it easier;
3. No nerfing the content until it becomes hopeless

Why should my end game suffer because it will if your solutions to server imbalances/population is a WoW based LFD.

By the way someone asked earlier about the devs putting out a poll. Whilst they may do that Bioware also randomly ask subscribers their opinions via e-mail. It happens they sent one to me so I replied honestly and as you can guess didn't ask for an LFD . If you get one then put it there that you want one. It is this sort of market research that will lead the company to implement or not.

I'm actually happy that this thread is still going because hopefully Bioware will read the comments and see the tone of many of the pro lobby against the tone of the anti lobby and possibly put back the implementation of this tool for some time.

It is this sort of market research that will lead the company to implement or not.

I edited it after you acknowledged both sides shouldn't be telling other people what to think.

The argument is simple from my point of view - lfg = more content for more people.

The people arguing against lfg also try to argue that we should do what they do : Find a guild that runs content.

which leads to the most obvious of questions - why would an implementation of an LFG tool stop your guild from running content?

It's an option. There is no objective evidence to suggest it "destroys communities" - anyone who lived through Barrens chat realizes how stupid of an argument this is.

Actually it is at least partially true. The less people interacting, the less of a community you have. A tool, like WoW's as an example, allows you to bypass that community and just click a few buttons and go kill some trash/bosses with people you in all likelihood will never see again.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to do that either. I'm saying that what you replied to is at least partially correct.

If that's true then you will work with the LFG tool the way it is.

Glad you have come around.

Your welcome.