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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Uruare
02.13.2012 , 07:34 PM | #1011
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
Then you obviously haven't read my posts. I'm not even here arguing against the tool. I'm arguing against people who don't look at things from all sides. Refusing to accept real cons because they disagree with them. Claiming majority without anything to back it up. And then claiming due to majority the minority can just shut up and go away and deal with it. This can apply to both sides of the LFG "debate" I just see more Pro behaving this way than the other side.

How many times shall I pretend this debate doesn't have a foregone conclusion, garson?

Do you honestly believe there is any purpose to pretending that the stated interest of the devs in implementing some kind of PVE LFG tool isn't going to lead to such a thing existing?

That they're not going to follow the popular and successful trend in the industry?

That this debate hasn't already raged across half a dozen different game forums with the same outcome every single time?

No, I'm not going to pretend this is a new debate like there's any new and game-changing information on the table; there isn't.

It's the same tired hash from the last pile of times it happened.

And yet, those of us that have seen it come and go, come and go, come and go, come and go, come and go and then come and go with the same blah dee blah followed by the same conclusion in the end are supposed to ...what?

How many times shall we look at all sides of this and hrm-hrgh very gravely amongst ourselves before we finally accept the simple fact that there's no particularly good reason for Bioware to -avoid- implementing a cross-server tool.

Is there some hilarious belief somewhere 'round here that Bioware and EA's stock index value will increase if they -don't- cater to the time and time again proven majorities?

Do ya think every single MMO house that's put such a tool forth did -less- research and put -less- thought into the matter than CrumBum the Third on a forum that doesn't like it because he -thinks it will be bad-?

So, no, I can't definitively prove with a magic number that we're the majority.

Similarly, I can't definitively prove gravity either. However, please, look for your proof in what a growing number of popular MMO titles have done and are doing or have stated plans to do.

Then throw an orange off a balcony.

You'll have all the proof we're ever going to get of those numbers and of gravity in one fell swoop.

On second thought, keep the orange. No sense wasting a good snack.

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darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 07:34 PM | #1012
Quote: Originally Posted by terminova View Post
Shhh, don't tell them, they don't want to know.
According to you, my own experiences have always been far more positive then negative.

As I've said countless times I must be the luckiest person on the planet judging from this thread.

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ispanolfw
02.13.2012 , 07:35 PM | #1013
Quote: Originally Posted by terminova View Post
That's rather.....random.
Think he means the thread is about to hit the cap and get remade.

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souloferdrick
02.13.2012 , 07:36 PM | #1014
Quote: Originally Posted by terminova View Post
You cannot sell someone on something they've had to deal with before, and didn't like the results the first time. Besides, there's no point in trying to sell anyone on anything with regards to what the devs decide to implement because they will implement whatever they want regardless.
Agreed, the argument is moot since we all know its coming but Im just using the opportunity to show how the lames operate.

Anyone truly interested in building a real community or communities would understand that an LFD tool works directly counter to those interests.

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terminova
02.13.2012 , 07:36 PM | #1015
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb View Post
"Sadly you can't see it"

Our completely optional wants, yes.

I feel like we've had this talk before...oh that's right you just keep coming back with the exact same argument to every single post.

Is there some compelling reason I should continue to respond?
LFD tools end up not being optional because people using the tool will not want to lose their place in the queue to get into a group you are trying to put together manually. Especially DPS who tend to have really long queues due to a low number of tanks and healers, mostly tanks though.

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darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 07:37 PM | #1016
Quote: Originally Posted by Amiracle View Post
This game doesn't have a cross server lfg and people don't want it.

You want it.

Why is your want more important than theirs.

You have never answered that....yes you did.

You want it and that all you care about. You said it a few pages back.
According to you.

I disagree I say people do want it.

And even if they don't, I do and so I ask for it, I've never hidden the fact that I want the lfg tool to make my own gaming experience better that it'll help low pop servers and those with different times to the servers prime time is just icing on the cake. It is on bioware whether to make the tool cross server or not.

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Heretiq
02.13.2012 , 07:38 PM | #1017
Quote: Originally Posted by Uruare View Post
How many times shall I pretend this debate doesn't have a foregone conclusion, garson?

Do you honestly believe there is any purpose to pretending that the stated interest of the devs in implementing some kind of PVE LFG tool isn't going to lead to such a thing existing?

That they're not going to follow the popular and successful trend in the industry?

That this debate hasn't already raged across half a dozen different game forums with the same outcome every single time?

No, I'm not going to pretend this is a new debate like there's any new and game-changing information on the table; there isn't.

It's the same tired hash from the last pile of times it happened.

And yet, those of us that have seen it come and go, come and go, come and go, come and go, come and go and then come and go with the same blah dee blah followed by the same conclusion in the end are supposed to ...what?

How many times shall we look at all sides of this and hrm-hrgh very gravely amongst ourselves before we finally accept the simple fact that there's no particularly good reason for Bioware to -avoid- implementing a cross-server tool.

Is there some hilarious belief somewhere 'round here that Bioware and EA's stock index value will increase if they -don't- cater to the time and time again proven majorities?

Do ya think every single MMO house that's put such a tool forth did -less- research and put -less- thought into the matter than CrumBum the Third on a forum that doesn't like it because he -thinks it will be bad-?

So, no, I can't definitively prove with a magic number that we're the majority.

Similarly, I can't definitively prove gravity either. However, please, look for your proof in what a growing number of popular MMO titles have done and are doing or have stated plans to do.

Then throw an orange off a balcony.

You'll have all the proof we're ever going to get of those numbers and of gravity in one fell swoop.

On second thought, keep the orange. No sense wasting a good snack.
+1 for the Shae avatar and a good post.
English is not my first language.

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terminova
02.13.2012 , 07:39 PM | #1018
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb View Post
According to you, my own experiences have always been far more positive then negative.

As I've said countless times I must be the luckiest person on the planet judging from this thread.
You're quoting the wrong person.

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ispanolfw
02.13.2012 , 07:39 PM | #1019
Quote: Originally Posted by Uruare View Post
How many times shall I pretend this debate doesn't have a foregone conclusion, garson?

Do you honestly believe there is any purpose to pretending that the stated interest of the devs in implementing some kind of PVE LFG tool isn't going to lead to such a thing existing?

That they're not going to follow the popular and successful trend in the industry?

That this debate hasn't already raged across half a dozen different game forums with the same outcome every single time?

No, I'm not going to pretend this is a new debate like there's any new and game-changing information on the table; there isn't.

It's the same tired hash from the last pile of times it happened.

And yet, those of us that have seen it come and go, come and go, come and go, come and go, come and go and then come and go with the same blah dee blah followed by the same conclusion in the end are supposed to ...what?

How many times shall we look at all sides of this and hrm-hrgh very gravely amongst ourselves before we finally accept the simple fact that there's no particularly good reason for Bioware to -avoid- implementing a cross-server tool.

Is there some hilarious belief somewhere 'round here that Bioware and EA's stock index value will increase if they -don't- cater to the time and time again proven majorities?

Do ya think every single MMO house that's put such a tool forth did -less- research and put -less- thought into the matter than CrumBum the Third on a forum that doesn't like it because he -thinks it will be bad-?

So, no, I can't definitively prove with a magic number that we're the majority.

Similarly, I can't definitively prove gravity either. However, please, look for your proof in what a growing number of popular MMO titles have done and are doing or have stated plans to do.

Then throw an orange off a balcony.

You'll have all the proof we're ever going to get of those numbers and of gravity in one fell swoop.

On second thought, keep the orange. No sense wasting a good snack.
See that's the thing, they haven't said cross server is coming for a fact, only that it's being considered. If they put it in, fine, if they don't, fine. I'm just sick of people thinking their opinion is the correct one and that opposing it, especially because it's optional and the Devs are going to do it "anyways". My problem isn't with when it comes, if at all. My problem is with fanatics(Yes fanatics, because religious groups do this too) that push away any opinion contrary to theirs because they're "miniscule" or "you're the minority"

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darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 07:41 PM | #1020
Quote: Originally Posted by terminova View Post
You're quoting the wrong person.
You're agreeing with him correct? then no I'm not.