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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Amiracle
02.13.2012 , 07:15 PM | #981
Quote: Originally Posted by MalignX View Post
Because we bought the game too and that makes it just as much "ours" as it is "yours"? It's an optional tool, don't use it.

I hear WoW has isolated servers, seems like that is screaming your name.

Ah, the I paid money so I am entitled to anything I want even if others dont want what I want.

We aren't imposing our wants on you, the game is already the way we like it.

You don't like it and want to add to it so you are imposing what you want over ours.

Why do you feel your 15 allows you to impose mechanics into the game that don't exist against the will of others in game?

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Amiracle
02.13.2012 , 07:16 PM | #982
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb View Post
Good thing it's optional.

And if you're playing a modern mmo because it doesn't have a lfg tool and only that (your words, not mine) then you're in for disappointment, a lfg tool is already coming the only thing that's on the table is whether it will at release be cross server or come later.

But by your own advice, there are plenty of other games out there that don't have a system and you are free to play them.
This game has a lfg tool.

its just not the one you like and want to impose the one you like on us.

Pretty simple.

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darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 07:16 PM | #983
Quote: Originally Posted by Amiracle View Post
Ah, the I paid money so I am entitled to anything I want even if others dont want what I want.

We aren't imposing our wants on you, the game is already the way we like it.

You don't like it and want to add to it so you are imposing what you want over ours.

Why do you feel your 15 allows you to impose mechanics into the game that don't exist against the will of others in game?
Good thing it's optional.

Why is that that one simple sentence is repeatedly enough to answer your posts?

And what makes your 15 enough to stop us?

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darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 07:17 PM | #984
Quote: Originally Posted by Amiracle View Post
This game has a lfg tool.

its just not the one you like and want to impose the one you like on us.

Pretty simple.
And the majority don't use it just like if the majority don't want a cross server tool they wont use it, thank you for agreeing with me?

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ispanolfw
02.13.2012 , 07:18 PM | #985
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb View Post
When the counter-arguments chief complaint is the majority will use it and in there minds challenge there own way of playing it's kind of hard for anyone on that side of the fence to claim otherwise.

But logic too seems lost on the other side.
And you still see black and white. You see people who use it as people who like or want to use it. Sure some will, but some don't. you have the people who love the tool and will always use it. You have the ones who despise the tool due to what it brings and what it can do who won't use it. Then you have people who don't like it, but will begrudgingly use it because it hampers their group finding efforts NOT to use it. And you know what, there's even more people in that gray area.

Using it does not equate like and acceptance of it for everyone who uses it. I used it in WoW because even though we had a good population on the two servers I played on, it was near impossible to find a group normally. Did I like using it? Not really, It was either use it or not get into groups.

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Uruare
02.13.2012 , 07:19 PM | #986
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
Prove it then.
Oh, it's not an absolute certainty monsieur ispanolfw. But I'd bet a shiny nickel on it.

I'd also bet that, at the end of the movie Titanic, the boat sinks.

I'd also bet that automobiles overtook the horse and buggie industry despite a great deal of howling and yowling on the parts of horse ranchers, buggie manufacturers and city officials across the US of A.

I'd also bet that it's...well, y'know, happened before. This whole chowderheaded 'debate'?

Yeah. It happened before on WoW's forums. Look what happened there. Look what didn't happen in WoW (answer: WoW didn't implode!).

Other games with LFG tools alike unto WoW's? Must be an increasingly popular idea. Rift included it, LotrO snapped the idea up pretty quickly, City of Heroes implemented such a thing with the Incarnate Trials system and have been refining it ever since, uh...

Yeah. My shiny nickel on "We're Getting The LFG Tool", garson?

I keep winning this argument. The doomsayers in WoW lost this bet, the sobby weepers in LotrO didn't win this bet, nobody that I know of even cares in City of Heroes to quibble over it as its implemented there, and...while that list could go on...

...we already have such a tool in SWTOR. Queue as a group or solo for PVP lately?

You've used the same tool that will, eventually, possibly sooner than later, wind up being applied to Flashpoints, maybe Hardmode FP's as well, possibly even Operations.

Your shiny nickel against mine, mate.

It's just a nickel.

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Heretiq
02.13.2012 , 07:19 PM | #987
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
Quite sure I have been. I've seen you saying multiple times that your opinion is the majority so the minority should suck it up and deal with it. When you have no proof of said majority.
Yeah - you're right. I said that multiple times. It was an unproven and baseless assumption without any facts whatsoever to back it up - like everything else in this thread.

The only thing that I know is that most people like convenient and time-saving tools (calculators, computers, cars, telephones ...). The Cross-Server LFG-Tool is a convenient and time-saving tool. Therefore I figured that most people will probably like such a tool and that most people would like it implemented into the game.
English is not my first language.

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darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 07:20 PM | #988
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
Using it does not equate like and acceptance of it for everyone who uses it. I used it in WoW because even though we had a good population on the two servers I played on, it was near impossible to find a group normally. Did I like using it? Not really, It was either use it or not get into groups.
And yet even though it would help them people don't use the current system.

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Amiracle
02.13.2012 , 07:20 PM | #989
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb View Post
I'm happy in a game that I could be far happier.

I'm happy in a game that is doing it's very best atm to make flashpoints difficult to get into.


No its not, your opinion. They have all been cleared.


I'm happy in a game where being on a low pop server is quite literally buying a single player rpg.


Your choice to play on a low pop server.


I'm happy in a modern mmo that is bringing in a lfg tool, and that I believe will if not at first will eventually be cross server.


Already has a lfg tool. How can they add what it already has?



And you're evading questions, and victimizing yourself liberally with anecdotal and outright false claims.

Sounds like you are the one playing the victim with many of the statements in this post.

Sadly you cannot see it.

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ispanolfw
02.13.2012 , 07:22 PM | #990
Quote: Originally Posted by Uruare View Post
Oh, it's not an absolute certainty monsieur ispanolfw. But I'd bet a shiny nickel on it.

I'd also bet that, at the end of the movie Titanic, the boat sinks.

I'd also bet that automobiles overtook the horse and buggie industry despite a great deal of howling and yowling on the parts of horse ranchers, buggie manufacturers and city officials across the US of A.

I'd also bet that it's...well, y'know, happened before. This whole chowderheaded 'debate'?

Yeah. It happened before on WoW's forums. Look what happened there. Look what didn't happen in WoW (answer: WoW didn't implode!).

Other games with LFG tools alike unto WoW's? Must be an increasingly popular idea. Rift included it, LotrO snapped the idea up pretty quickly, City of Heroes implemented such a thing with the Incarnate Trials system and have been refining it ever since, uh...

Yeah. My shiny nickel on "We're Getting The LFG Tool", garson?

I keep winning this argument. The doomsayers in WoW lost this bet, the sobby weepers in LotrO didn't win this bet, nobody that I know of even cares in City of Heroes to quibble over it as its implemented there, and...while that list could go on...

...we already have such a tool in SWTOR. Queue as a group or solo for PVP lately?

You've used the same tool that will, eventually, possibly sooner than later, wind up being applied to Flashpoints, maybe Hardmode FP's as well, possibly even Operations.

Your shiny nickel against mine, mate.

It's just a nickel.
Then you obviously haven't read my posts. I'm not even here arguing against the tool. I'm arguing against people who don't look at things from all sides. Refusing to accept real cons because they disagree with them. Claiming majority without anything to back it up. And then claiming due to majority the minority can just shut up and go away and deal with it. This can apply to both sides of the LFG "debate" I just see more Pro behaving this way than the other side.