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The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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The reason Sorcerers/Sages are OP in PvP

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Varicite
02.13.2012 , 05:38 PM | #921
Quote: Originally Posted by Zlashie View Post
All those people who claim that Sorc are not a stronger class with too much utility is either a blind person unaware of their strength, an ignorant person who believes his "skills" can overcome any obsticle or a sorc trying to maintain his position on his lovely pedestal.

Its the same reason why kings in the old times fought so hard to maintain their crown. If you are in a good position and are having the time of your life, ofcourse you would protect that with all you got.

Fact is tho, that the core of a sorc is much stronger than most classes in this game. It requires a whole lot more effort from other classes to be on par with a sorc.

But then again, the majority of the community play empire, and the majority of the empire play sorc, so its like smacking your face into a wall, and as soon as you just try to touch the sorc pedestal, you will have the entire sorc community with their pitchforks ready to throw you away. Usually this is done by just calling anyone who say anything bad about sorc, horrible players who cant play the game correctly.
I did it with specific examples showing that the OP doesn't have a proper understanding of the mechanics behind a Sorcerer's CC.

In his case specifically, it actually is a L2P issue, and believe me.. I do NOT say that to people lightly. You can check my posts, this is the first time I've ever said it to anyone here.
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Khalirei
02.13.2012 , 05:38 PM | #922
Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post
Strange, I thought this was a thread about the 0/23/18 hybrid spec'd Sorcerer.

Are you lost?
Don't deviate from the question. Answer it.

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Varicite
02.13.2012 , 05:42 PM | #923
Quote: Originally Posted by Khalirei View Post
Don't deviate from the question. Answer it.
I never said anything about Assassins at all, so I don't even know why you're asking.

This thread is about hybrid Sorcs, and I have only been talking about hybrid Sorcs.

But to answer your question, Assassins/Shadows are the closest thing to a hard counter for a Powertech in the game, so no, I cannot destroy a BM Assassin who knows what they are doing and understands my class well enough to counter me.

I can certainly take on a hybrid spec'd Sorcerer w/ ease though, which is what we were talking about.

Also, if you were serious, a correctly spec'd Vanguard (Carolina Parakeet or Iron Fist spec) can and will destroy a Shadow with ease.

So maybe you SHOULD have rolled a Vanguard.
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sithgrizley
02.13.2012 , 05:44 PM | #924
Quote: Originally Posted by shaidarlol View Post
well you don't use maul unless you get a proc but whatever man you can play your 31/0/10 spec. all the good assassin's are x/31/x of some sort, and they apparently have no issues killing an OP sorc, so maybe it's you...

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=165927 try reading that, you might learn something from a real assassin
Great, a guide about bursting.

Too bad the only way you're killing anyone with a burst is if they're horribly geared and you're very geared.

If you're very lucky you might land a couple of 5k hits, which after bubble is about 6800 damage. If you got a proc you've got 25 force left, sorry 33 after a tick of regen. Your damage goes way way down after that. Unless you're premptively popping cloak you're also CCed by the bubble breaking...

Smart Sorcs had no problem with Operative burst before the nerf, and Deception is nowhere near that level of burst.

Good assassins aren't x/31/x, most good Assassins don't even have points in deception because the lower tier Darkness and Madness are more important.

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shaidarlol
02.13.2012 , 05:44 PM | #925
Quote: Originally Posted by Khalirei View Post
Extremely hard if you play a commando who doesn't have an interrupt that can put your stupid channel on a 3-4 second cooldown. Doesn't matter if I can CC, because 90% of the time their resolve will be up, or they'll CC break out of it, and if I try to do 2 stuns, you can just interrupt my cast one. Oh the irony.
so sorcerers now have full resolve 90% of the time or always have their 2 min trinket up. irony indeed

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Khalirei
02.13.2012 , 05:47 PM | #926
Quote: Originally Posted by Varicite View Post
I never said anything about Assassins at all, so I don't even know why you're asking.

This thread is about hybrid Sorcs, and I have only been talking about hybrid Sorcs.

But to answer your question, Assassins/Shadows are the closest thing to a hard counter for a Powertech in the game, so no, I cannot destroy a BM Assassin who knows what they are doing and understands my class well enough to counter me.

I can certainly take on a hybrid spec'd Sorcerer w/ ease though, which is what we were talking about.

Also, if you were serious, a correctly spec'd Vanguard (Carolina Parakeet or Iron Fist spec) can and will destroy a Shadow with ease.

So maybe you SHOULD have rolled a Vanguard.
So you're not correctly specced? you said they were the closest thing to a hard counter, now you're saying if they're specced they can kill them with ease? so why aren't you specced like that?

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Dezeit
02.13.2012 , 05:47 PM | #927
Please don't nerf Sorc's ..... after reading this post I am creating one tonight...........

Sounds like the only way so solve the problem is create one and join the majority of the population.

Hutball here I come........

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shaidarlol
02.13.2012 , 05:49 PM | #928
Quote: Originally Posted by sithgrizley View Post
Great, a guide about bursting.

Too bad the only way you're killing anyone with a burst is if they're horribly geared and you're very geared.

If you're very lucky you might land a couple of 5k hits, which after bubble is about 6800 damage. If you got a proc you've got 25 force left, sorry 33 after a tick of regen. Your damage goes way way down after that. Unless you're premptively popping cloak you're also CCed by the bubble breaking...

Smart Sorcs had no problem with Operative burst before the nerf, and Deception is nowhere near that level of burst.

Good assassins aren't x/31/x, most good Assassins don't even have points in deception because the lower tier Darkness and Madness are more important.
so you choose to not use a spec a spec that apparently can kill OP sorcerers. also now it's a gear issue and no longer a cc issue.

you also apparently can't preemptively use force shroud (skill).

guess what kills in pvp, burst...just because you choose not to have those does not make sorcerers op. would you consider a x/31/x sorcerer overpowered?

you have all the answers to stop a sorcerer, just because you choose to not use those answers isn't a sorcerer's problem, it's yours.

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Khalirei
02.13.2012 , 05:53 PM | #929
Quote: Originally Posted by dezeit View Post
please don't nerf sorc's ..... After reading this post i am creating one tonight...........

Sounds like the only way so solve the problem is create one and join the majority of the population. Hutball hear i come........
diaf.

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Rallic
02.13.2012 , 05:54 PM | #930
Quote: Originally Posted by shaidarlol View Post
well you don't use maul unless you get a proc but whatever man you can play your 31/0/10 spec. all the good assassin's are x/31/x of some sort, and they apparently have no issues killing an OP sorc, so maybe it's you...

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=165927 try reading that, you might learn something from a real assassin
This , I play my sorc well and kill most assassins/shadows , but when I'm playing my shadow iv never lost to a sorc 1v1 now give them a guard from a tank and its omg I didt do **** to him , pop combat stealth and go look for another target.

Sorcs are like any other class in the game built for team play. They are the support class. Mid range dps.nothing big bit can keep it going all most none stop. Ie a dot class that has the support roll. They are not a strate up dps class like the trolls are trying to make em out.


My shadow owns sorcs. I'm a hybrid on it to as 31 into any of the 3 skills seams bad to me.
Better to take the lower skills from 2 of them.
For pve full tree might be better but PvP is not the same its about giving them nothing and taking every thing.