People leaving wz is now out of control.

You guys are quick to point that finger at someone else for your shortcomings aren't you?

"It's YOUR fault we're losing because YOU left, WAAAAAHAHHHHHHHHHHH BIOWARE PUNISH THEM MEANIES!"

The rest of us, meanwhile respond in kind. If a group has several bad players that do not communicate/focus on objectives, what's the problem with my leaving? 1 Player does not lose or win a Warzone.

So instead of hopping on the forums and demanding a change, I choose to keep your problems (and all the other bads problems), your problem instead of making it mine. If you were truly after a solution that served both skilled players who play to complete, and people who just play to mess around, you'd favor a system that grouped players based upon individual skill rather than the current system of leaching with a measure to prevent good players from entering pugs.

If Bioware caves to yours and the OP's QQing, you bads will start crying that you are never winning, because the good players will NEVER go pug, instead of how it is now where we rarely go pug.

When my daily is done, i usually stay in the losing games, because if i win it doesnt change anything... i can't get anymore bags.

Same.

Why are complaining about leavers then?

AFKers get pretty much get the same rewards for staying in the match.

The quiters are the ones that get nothing. If they implement a deserter penalty then

Quitters stop quitting and become AFKers.

Quitting is the lesser of 2 evils.

Sounds like an incredible waste of time to me. And isn't that what you quitters' main complaint is: warzone losses are a waste of time, so you quit to join a winning warzone?

Spin it however you want, dude, throwing a temper tantrum by sitting there and doing nothing is comical at best, and narcissistic at worst.

Yes, its a total disaster and a total joke. Spent several hours playing wzs tonight and 50% of games were just a revolving door with pugs rotating in and out constantly. It totally ruins the game. These people need to be punished.

Furthermore, premades should not be allowed to queue into pugs. This is just stupid.

And while you are at it, please nerf the hell out of healers and reduce the effectiveness of expertise. A team with two or three geared/competent healers in it makes it almost impossible to kill *anything*.

I'm just appalled that all of this stuff needs to be stated. A cursory look at the history of WOW's battleground PVP should have alerted the makes of this game as to what happens when these issues are left unnaddressed. As with so many things I have lost count, this game fails to deliver.

This is the part I can't figure out. If we can't win whether I stay or go, who cares if I leave the match? Do you really love me so much that you want me to come farm kills with you off in some corner? Do you really hate me so much that when I'm on the enemy team you want me to stay while you push my face in over and over and over for your amusement?

Can you refute that a team which only has 6 people vs. 8 will most likely lose? If that 8 person team is already ahead by 1 goal in huttball, 1 door in voidstar, or 10 points in civil war, which team is most likely to lose? The team which just had 2 people quit as soon as the first goal or point was scored, or the team who still has 8 people and scored that one point?

Really? Can you?

Does a team with a full 8 people the entire match, when they didn't score that first point, have a much higher chance of overcoming that single first point scored by the opposing team, and turning the match around to win themselves?

Can you refute that?

Fixed

Don't spend resources on something that ain't as broke as some other things in this game....and in fact for a lot of players, works perfectly fine!!!

No its not.

AFKers only ruin their own game. Also, AFKers will be reported and get their very own deserters debuff anyway.

Leavers however ruin up to 10 games in the same time period. Leavers have to be severely penalized.