What does the 1-49 bracket teach us about PVP gear?

Having gear matter in pvp is honestly the dumbest thing about MMO pvp.

When you can win a fight before a shot is launched just because you outgear somone does not make a good game.

The problem is, how do you get people to pvp if gear doesn't matter and they don't have that carrot on a stick?

Yep, in shadowbane, not only could a max level player kill a level 20 player. But that max level player had best in slot items.
Those were the good old days.

Wait a second?
You guys are complaining that level 50s can kill you with better gear?
Man up and learn to play.

Anyone complaining about the gear system, obviously doesn't know much about PvP in RPGs. I have a feeling many posters here, have only had experience with WoW.
Nothing at all is stopping you from getting the gear yourself. In other games, people could actually stop you entirely from getting gear, or take it from your dead body.

Simple: Remove Expertise as a stat. Keep the gear, get better stats and atts, gear set bonues, etc. Just get rid of a PvP only stat that circumvents skill.

Real PvP'rs play for the fun of the fight and to grow in skills, everyone else is just a gear whore that hides behind Expertise.

Simple: Remove Expertise as a stat. Keep the gear, get better stats and atts, gear set bonues, etc. Just get rid of a PvP only stat that circumvents skill.

Real PvP'rs play for the fun of the fight and to grow in skills, everyone else is just a gear whore that hides behind Expertise.

Ok i'll say this. If you think i'm hiding behind my gear. Why don't you quit crying work to get to my gear level and challenge me.

Once you reach Champion level gear in this game you can take on anyone pretty much on an equal footing.

I'm in full champion and i take on BMs in Full BM gear.

champion gear is so easy to get now. you get 100% chance every bag for something.

when i got my champion gear you could go 30 bags without getting anything but centurion commendations. And then when you finally did get something it was a dupe.

Just cos you don't want to work and have everything handed to you don't tell me i'm not a good player.

pvp without progression is empty and pointless

unless it had a runescape style like the wilderness. otherwise you will have 15 hour WZ queus. because i promise you no one will play it

but i do like the idea of "i keel u i getz u stoof"

This solves NOTHING because the dragonslayers will be able to get the gear twice as fast which will be NOT popular in the PvP community.

MMO's are about gear and stats. There is no other way to do it then the current system (I'm not saying it's a good system but the gear progression needs to stay in place)

In this frame of mind there should be no gear progression in PvE either and all PvPers should be able to jump in with their gear and potentially have the best performance?

People are leaving the 50's bracket and re-rolling characters so that they can continue to PVP in the 1-49 Brackets.

Lets really think about what that means.

It means that people would rather do the PVE grind AGAIN then put up with being the equivalent of being grey mobs in WZs who's purpose seems to be to entertain no one but the people who are lucky enough to have more free time or unlucky enough to simply have no life who get to kill you over and over again.

It means that PVP is MORE exciting when your adrenaline is pumping because you are in a pitched battle with someone who does the same damage and takes the same damage you do and it really comes down to quick thinking, reflexes and strategy that you EARNED through practice rather then because you have a statistical advantage over your opponent. Where the timing of every shot counts. And obviously that is going to be more exciting then losing simply because your opponent hits far harder and takes far less damage.

Gear based "PVP" is not a test of a player vs a player unless people really think that because someone was able to do more repetitive tasks over and over again because they don't have kids, or a job or a life (Or simply are willing to sacrifice those things they should be spending more time on) is somehow something that people can be tested for and be lauded as if they "accomplished" something.

The grind olympics? Is that something you want to be remembered for? You were better at wasting more time in your life then someone else so you "win"?

If we are going to have brackets, I think we should have a bracket where Expertise is shut off. ESPECIALLY if you are thinking E-sport. And ESPECIALLY if you are going to have a PVP rating system.

I have a feeling that bracket would be far more populated.

EDIT TO CLEAR UP A MISCONCEPTION: I do not feel that gear should no longer be acquirable through PVP. I feel that gear should be attainable through PVP, and be on par with gear in PVE. And that the advantage gear affords be curbed in PVP across the board. I am not asking for PVE to cause someone to win PVP. Resilience was the wrong answer. Expertise is no better.