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LeonkRAV
02.13.2012 , 11:02 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by dadamowsky View Post
I was afraid this moment will eventually happen. How many new tiers are you expecting? How great gap between players will be crossing the red line? Do we really need a situation when fresh 50 will be worse, than 10 in 10-49 brackets? Having a mix of ceuntrions/ purples and one champion offhand gives me currently at most chance to tickle full champion+ geared. How do you imagine PvP if there were higher tiers? 1 ubamaster stomping 8 fresh people without a sweat?

Gear progression in PvP is a dead end. Inevitably with new tiers introduced to maintain grinders - the only people bothering to play in this system - interest. There will be grinded untouchable supermans and no new blood flowing into PvP system at the same time, discouraged by the enormous gaps. Will the PvP survive in the long term? I really really doubt that (although I really really wish this game to succed).
So to understand correctly. you sggest they should never introduce a new set? they should simply make the current BM set the stagnant set for the entirety of the game? PUT everything you built in regards of pvp on the shoulders of people simply enjoying the "PvP experience"?

Lol dude, no offense but thats a crock of #$%^. Lol people, im sorry these whiners on these forums are going to need to get a clue real quick. You take things WAYYYYYY out of proportion. Dont get me wrong, pvp needs to be fun, FUN is the main factor, but basing the longevity of an aspect of an mmoRPG on fun factor alone is a HUGE flaw. This is an RPG, and gearing up is the NUMBER ONE ASPECT of a RPG. Look at games today, be it MW3, battlefield, skyrim.

Go into a pvp match, kill each other game over, repeat, repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat. no gear, no gain nothing. just a scoreboard. and people will never get tired of that b/c its fun. b/c 15 bucks a month to play a mmorpg likes its a free first person shooter is what people aspire to do in a MMORPG.

People get on, do their dailes and log off. why/ b/c there is no GEAR gain anymore for them to do anything in regards to pvp. YET you have people complain that gearing up as a motive discourages new people from pvping b.c they dont have the gear yet and get killed by people who are geared.

The biggest thing people seem to blatantly ignore is you can GET the same thing those socalled untouchable superman geared people can get WITH TIME. But thats the issue the true enemy to you people is time and effort. dont try to blame on other things that have no relevancy. You simply dont want to put in time and effort, doesnt even have to be a grind just time and effort. Go play an xboxlive multiplayer then. This is an mmorpg what the heck did you expect?

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zqsd
02.13.2012 , 11:03 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by dadamowsky View Post
The very first reason is: gaps are not competitive. The very second reason is: world PvP is already screwed, increasing gear gap will be coup de grace, shooting wounded horse, or an execution at the orphan. The very third reason: previous reasons combined will eventually kill PvP in the game at all.
Rofl, you don't even know what you are talking about.
Ohm - Shadow - Darth Nihilus (FR PvP)

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Obie_Wan
02.13.2012 , 11:03 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by Nermack View Post
they better not put it any more valor gear considering they handed it to imperials for nothing
Nonsense!

The masses of Imperial players will declare in outrage, saying that they've "worked" for their valour gear against -impossible- odds over the Republic scums and having to endure slanders of how them having superior versions of the mirrored skills.

What? Even the dev's patch notes vindicated the community's accusations that there are indeed Empire classes who had superior version of the "mirrored" skills? Blasphemy, that doesn't compute if they just pretend it doesn't exist. They totally won those with their sheer skill alone, those caps that they interrupted with their instant shocks were clearly uber skills at play, meanwhile the caps that they made because that hunk of rock took its time to make it to them is clear evidence that Republics needs to learn to play.

Yep. How dare anyone say that Empire isn't hard mode? We're totally made up of the most hardiest, stone cold, PVP killers around. Outnumbering people 3 to 1 and beyond is the new way of being the underdogs in the 21st century! Really! Honest!
Outnumbered on all sides. Inferior version of "mirrored" abilities. Republic players are the real underdogs playing the game on hard mode. Show pride in your tenacity.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=101553

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Razot
02.13.2012 , 11:07 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by zqsd View Post
I am full BM geared, i have ~150 centurion commendations and twice more champion ones.

I am not interested by rerolling, i don't know why BW has not already introduced T4 gear...

Many BM on my servers already quit because of this and if nothing is done soon, i will join them.

We need T4 now.
LOL!!

The thing about spoon feeding these type is that they are always hungry..
Gear progression is bad cause it creates an everwanting player base, and now i guess they want stuff that isnt even in game yet..

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SWImara
02.13.2012 , 11:08 AM | #125
A) We're getting new warzones (a new one in 1.2)
B) We're getting ranked warzones (pre-season 1.2)
C) I've 0 interest in seeing a new valor set until current issues with the PvP system are addressed. Definitely not before 1.2 and hopefully not until significantly after that. If one doesn't want to PvP for any reason other than gear grinding, then maybe they can take a break.


Quote: Originally Posted by Razot View Post
LOL!!

The thing about spoon feeding these type is that they are always hungry..
Gear progression is bad cause it creates an everwanting player base, and now i guess they want stuff that isnt even in game yet..
Yeah, that behavior was once only the standard among the PvE raiding crowd. Pretty sad to see it in PvPers too.

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LeonkRAV
02.13.2012 , 11:11 AM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by Razot View Post
LOL!!

The thing about spoon feeding these type is that they are always hungry..
Gear progression is bad cause it creates an everwanting player base, and now i guess they want stuff that isnt even in game yet..
an ever-wanting player base isnt bad, an unrealistic greedy one however is .
gear progression is the foundation of an mmorpg and all RPGS(its what sets an rpg apart from an action adventure), it will never go away. I dont understand why people dont understand that.

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zqsd
02.13.2012 , 11:15 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by SWImara View Post
A) We're getting new warzones (a new one in 1.2)
B) We're getting ranked warzones (pre-season 1.2)
C) I've 0 interest in seeing a new valor set until current issues with the PvP system are addressed. Definitely not before 1.2 and hopefully not until significantly after that. If one doesn't want to PvP for any reason other than gear grinding, then maybe they can take a break.



Yeah, that behavior was once only the standard among the PvE raiding crowd. Pretty sad to see it in PvPers too.
Who do you think you are to tell people why they should play?

Some people here seriously need to stay at their place...
Ohm - Shadow - Darth Nihilus (FR PvP)

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Krionic
02.13.2012 , 11:19 AM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Gwal View Post
I know about 12 people some of them geared battle masters that will leave this game if a new tier of gear is introduced in the first year.

A lot of us are sick of the game being a big gear grind and want something different and fun to make us play not more Dailys/weeklys for gear.

The gear gap between new 50s is already huge if it grows new player retention will disappear.

Ask yourself this do you want more gear or more places/reasons to actually have/use your gear?
Considering that the difference between BM and champ is tiny and even the difference between cent and bm is tiny. Your biggest benefit is going from pve to Cent. Someone in 100% cent gear can compete against a BM.

Also considering that getting cent and champ gear is now easy as pie. new player retention isn't going to be that bad.

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Vincedaddy
02.13.2012 , 11:22 AM | #129
I don't think the crowd that was already spoon fed their top tier gear should get it again through the screwed up valor system. Make them get it after a certain rank in rated battlegrounds so the scrubs actually have to be somewhat good or competent to get the best gear. Currently i haven't encountered a "battlemaster" (god that title is such a joke and carries absolutely no weight) that would be remotely close to deserving that gear.

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LeonkRAV
02.13.2012 , 11:23 AM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Krionic View Post
Considering that the difference between BM and champ is tiny and even the difference between cent and bm is tiny. Your biggest benefit is going from pve to Cent. Someone in 100% cent gear can compete against a BM.

Also considering that getting cent and champ gear is now easy as pie. new player retention isn't going to be that bad.
somebody with common sense, the only people who are going to have long term qqs about it are the career pvp whiner. i.e. majority of the pvp forum.