Dungeon Finder Needed Badly

Since the LFD haters cannot read a thread let me repeat:

Bioware does not have to ape wow's tool. They can make a better tool.

If someone is a jerk they can give you the ability to ignore every single toon tied to that player's account.

So quit prejudging a tool that doesn't even exist.

Which have proven themselves equally as useless as the current tool. There are two major issues with the LFG channels people have created.

1. Not enough players join the channel because it's yet another bunch of spam scrolling their chat window.

2. There are not big enough pools on the individual servers to fill groups consistantly, or within a reasonable amount of time.



High pop servers already wait just about as long as low pop servers. Your logic is very flawed, given that all servers will be in one big pool.

There are no alternatives. This is not a new issue in mmos. This has been an issue in mmos almost from the start of them, and better minds than mine and yours, and to be frank, the current design group for SWTOR, have tried to solve the issue.

The issue has been solved.

It's a cross server LFG tool. It works, and works very well. As has been shown in multiple games now.

The only thought that needs to be put into it now is how to tweek such a tool to suit the particular game.

Trying to re-invent the wheel makes those trying to do it look foolish. Yes, I know they probably think they're "outside the box thinkers" and that they're trying to be "innovative", but in truth they're just making themselves look like idiots for not utilizing a system that's already known to work well. Other design teams are already laughing their guts out at the SWTOR team for dragging their feet on a cross-server LFG tool. The SWTOR team is essentially handing these other design teams customers on a silver platter. How stupid is that?

We are not talking about 1 or 2 rude people here, we are talking about many thousand - no ignore list will give you the ability to ignore them all.

And if we talk about prejudice, you guys do this all the time - you never played a game without LFD before but you claim it must be bad... thats hmmm


I would not call beeing insulted a lot, beeing in queue for 40 minutes, beeing kicked out a lot, not beeing able to get the loot you deserve - working very well.

The only thing that has improved is the ability to hit a button and come back in 40 to go to a dungeon.

Yet it does not give you the guarentee of finishing the run, not beeing robbed, nor having friendly people with you.

/signed

Yes, it will. It will allow you to never have to group with anyone that you choose not to group with. Furthermore, if you're running into thousands of people that you find rude, maybe the problem is you and your intolerance.

I've been playing mmos for 12+ years now. I KNOW cross-server LFG tools have improved mmo gaming tremendously, and have allowed people to keep playing mmos. Instead of the alternative given to us by the SWTOR design team causing thousands and thousands to cancel their subscriptions to SWTOR because the game does not allow them quick access to the group oriented PvE content.




.. and there is nothing about not having a cross-server LFG tool that eliminates these things from happening. Except that with a cross-server LFG tool the waits are on average 5 to 7 minutes, and even in the event they are longer, players are able to go out into the game world instead of stand around Fleet getting ever more bored and frustrated with the game.

Not to mention that there's the ultimate panacea for your particular issues readily available.

YOU DON"T HAVE TO USE THE CROSS SERVER TOOL, OR YOU CAN FORM YOUR GROUP AND THEN QUE.

Umbral I agree wholeheartedly with your two above posts. Just telling you are losing your time responding to Rachel. Since the previous iteration she repeats the same loop, and offers no real counterargument.
All her concerns are easily solvable and can easily be fixed.

The tool limited you to only select 3 of any quest, dungeon, etc. and it does not allow role selection. I think that's the reason no critical mass used it on my server during BC. I have seen similar tools in LotRO and other MMOs which nobody used either. Those kind of tools are just a very basic minimal framework and not well designed at all for the purpose of making players actually use it.

The most important aspect of any tool should be that everyone who wants to pug will use it. Unless they can already fill their group with guildies and friends, for those the tool would just be a backup.

Just spent an entire weekend trying to get a group to do some flashpoints, I spent hours spamming chat and had my LFG tag up on the social screen, THE SYSTEM SUCKS!!!, I started to do PvP to kill time, that was a load of fun... 3 WZ's over and over, 2 world PvP zones, one is a barren graveyard of nothing, the other a zone had maybe 1 or 2 people in it at a time, I like calling them the unlucky few that stumbled into a PvP zone to get ganked without knowing what was going on, not my ideal way to see content.

Stop worrying about the few people that take everything as an insult and do something to fix the problems in the game, an LFG tool is needed badly, I have played WoW for years, rude people are part of an MMO, if I run into one I ignore them and carry on having fun.

In a few months you won't have much of a player base unless you address the issues at hand, LFG would help me stick around and maybe bring some others back, right now once my time card runs out this game is going to get tossed on the shelf and forgotten.

I am the only one in my guild that has logged on in the last few weeks, I am the only one that keeps coming back, just so I can punish my self looking for a group because I want to see some content.

Funny how all of the debate has now moved to General. Apparently a LFD is no longer a Suggestion and just a General fact that can be debated.

So I've been back to lurking on these boards after the big info release on Friday. And I'm still glad to see they are at least talking about cross-server more, even if it's still like 6 months to a year away. But I think I've said about all I can say on the subject and it's now up to Bioware to do what they think is right for their game.

Personally, I'm willing to keep my subscription until patch 1.2 to see what happens with the game and if it is still enjoyable for me. Hopefully by then we'll know more about a LFD type system and I can know if I'll quit for awhile or stick it out longer.

I'll still occasionally post on these threads but for now. Thank you Bioware for a great game. Thank you fellow pro-LFD posters for fighting the good fight along with me. Looking forward to seeing how SWTOR improves with time.

Not me, 4 more days of game time and then I'm done until I've read that there's a functioning cross-server LFG tool. I'm not wasting any more of my time, or money until that happens. Another game that is smart enough to be inclusive instead of driving players away will get my money.