Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer
×

Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > General Discussion
Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

Sathla's Avatar


Sathla
02.13.2012 , 09:02 AM | #481
LFD tools means everyone will stand on the fleet and level 10 to 50 in one spot.. enough said.

Kishva - 60- Vigilance Guardian
- Sathla - 60 - Corruption Sorcerer

Pax Dominus - Pax Imperius

Senatsu's Avatar


Senatsu
02.13.2012 , 09:02 AM | #482
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb View Post
So you're of the school of thought that getting the group should be the hard part of running a flashpoint.

Because that's what you're saying to every low pop server and most high pop ones.
Today, I took to the streets. I went on a server stated as Low (being especially low during that time of day since most people were working), but I had to see for myself how horrible you guys must have it.

Your arguments are complete, utter, illogically, blatantly obvious filled with bollocks, so much so I can still feel some after shock from discovering that you guys are talking ******** about the time it takes to find a group. I went on the fleet, trying to find a group for Hammer Station and guess what? It took me 3 minutes of whispering 7 people to get a group ready.

3. Freaking. Minutes.

If you have a hard time finding groups on your server: go to the who list, find people of equal level (or whatever is necessary to do the FP) and whisper them. Ask them kindly, like:

"Hey. Are you a tank, if so, would you be interested in doing Hammer Station?"

"Hey. My group needs a healer for Hammer Station, do you wish to come?"

"Hey. I have a group going for Hammer Station, wanna come and DPS?"

I got 1 tank, 2 healers and 1 DPS that turned me down, and they were polite about it. One of them even went:

"Sorry, I'm about to head out now. But, I can add you to my friends list and we can team up when I get back? Shouldn't take more than 3-4 hours until I'm home again "

Going around spamming "/1 LFG for Hammer Station, I'm DPS", without putting any more effort into it will of course leaving you to wait a loooong time. Put some time into it, and how much time? 3. Freaking. Minutes.

Stop being lazy folks. That is all.

Vulgarr's Avatar


Vulgarr
02.13.2012 , 09:02 AM | #483
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
Add to your list of Bads the guilds in THIS GAME who exploited the stack cheat so they could all get their cheater speeders and ruin their servers' economies. Talk about pooping where you eat.

Or the guilds of PvPers kill trading on Ilum. Or camping chests with lowbies.

Or the guild Requiem on The Prophecy of Five, who supported their member Catch when he hacked the game to get the White crystal.

Yes, all this actually happened. What? Accountability?
hey if your too lazy to hold people accountable for their actions by typing /ignore "playername" then thats your fault. i think we should have a /ignore guild tool to ignore everyone from a certain guild if they are a guild of griefers.

hacking and exploiting are TOS violations. these offenses are for BIOWARE to deal with, they gave us a /ignore tool for lesser infractions that they do not normally deal with, like ninjalooting and other forms of griefing.

if everyone would stop being lazy and use /ignore there wouldnt be half as many problems with griefing and just being complete asses.

ferroz's Avatar


ferroz
02.13.2012 , 09:03 AM | #484
Quote: Originally Posted by Vulgarr View Post
this is true, they got raids and grps but it was harder on them before LFD because people had enough courtesy to post the name of a griefer in chat so people that teh people that wanted to could /ignore.
No, the guy who ninja'd the ony mount ran pug raids pretty much every night, and he never had any significant problem getting people to join him. Same goes for the other couple of people who abused masterlooter to nab items. They just ran their own raids, and joined guilds, with no problems.

There were some guys on my server in EQ were scum, but they stayed in some of the top guilds on the server. Both Comps and EV had some real pieces of work (I had them train me, and KS a named on a number of occasions); they were the top 2 guilds on the server until Sol Invictus stole the march on them and beat them into Time during PoP; they stayed in the top 3 guilds until right before I left the game (where EV broke back up into the old elitists and vagrants as separate guilds).

Quote:
accountability.
No, there isn't any of that.

Quote:
strike first with /ignore and you wont have to put up with have the idiots when grouping until it becomes obsolete with LFD.
No, I've seen WAY too many people run character assassination attempts on people to trust anyone spamming general chat about how X did Y terrible deed.

darkcerb's Avatar


darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 09:03 AM | #485
Quote: Originally Posted by ragamer View Post
Mass flocking? Were? Do you think that everyone leaving a game leaves a "goodbye" post? If I add up different posters on this same thread what will I find?

Do you think the sharp decrease on western subs on WoW was not related to what I'm talking about? What about Rift? They are just "coincidences"?

Don't you realize reading this same thread that the confirmation or denial of a LFD will trigger cancelled subs in one portion of your playerbase?... What happens WHILE you are teasing ppl with an unconfirmed date for it?

This is not an option you can add and make every1 happy... It's simply impossible. You have to choose as Game Owner... It's the proyection of lost subs what will matter at the end.



No, pop drop, as I try to explain above is an unavoidable consequence...

...It's the removal of sharp variations on perceived difficulty from the content your automatically assembled party has to face.

Think on why some encounters are harder than others and then think how you can offer to the average party an average difficulty... Really think what you would do...

...And then look for the patch notes affecting that content... I hope you will spot what I mean.




You should read "sub advertising" with care... Specially with games that shift markets because the retention on the old ones has dropped... That's why you usually see "worldwide" attached to them and you never reach easily population profiles...

...Or do you think that the Pandas are chosen "arbitrarily" because they are cute?
But to address the whole, tell me what the western sub numbers are for wow and rift please? oh higher then swtor by 2-3 million?

There are various levels of difficulty and content available?

Let me ask you something, if you believe there would be no choice in this optional lfg tool doesn't that indicate that the majority would fully support or do you genuinely believe that suddenly over half of the subs for swtor would vanish?

darkcerb's Avatar


darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 09:04 AM | #486
Quote:
Your arguments are complete, utter, illogically, blatantly obvious filled with bollocks, so much so I can still feel some after shock from discovering that you guys are talking ******** about the time it takes to find a group. I went on the fleet, trying to find a group for Hammer Station and guess what? It took me 3 minutes of whispering 7 people to get a group ready.
Ok did you check at multiple times and at all levels of content?

ragamer's Avatar


ragamer
02.13.2012 , 09:04 AM | #487
Quote:
Go ahead
I'm not the one using "mayority" arguments here...

...Do the count yourself and enlightnen us.

I don't need to backup my arguments by numbers (That's the job of the game owner to his investors)...

...I just want to have in my game what I like and do not want to have what I don't.

ferroz's Avatar


ferroz
02.13.2012 , 09:05 AM | #488
Quote: Originally Posted by darkcerb View Post
Ok did you check at multiple times and at all levels of content?
I finally got a group to do esseless (the newbie version, with a new alt) last night. I've only been on fleet with that toon for 4 days.

Orisai's Avatar


Orisai
02.13.2012 , 09:06 AM | #489
Quote: Originally Posted by Sathla View Post
LFD tools means everyone will stand on the fleet and level 10 to 50 in one spot.. enough said.
lol I'll pretend I didn't read this thing. Do you know that you can do stuff while waiting for a Flashpoint spot, don't you? Hmm... stuff like questing, gathering, dailies, even instanced PvP.
LEGION ORISAI DYNAMICS

Latin American Imperial PvE Guild

darkcerb's Avatar


darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 09:06 AM | #490
Quote: Originally Posted by ragamer View Post
I'm not the one using "mayority" arguments here...

...Do the count yourself and enlightnen us.

I don't need to backup my arguments by numbers (That's the job of the game owner to his investors)...

...I just want to have in my game what I like and do not want to have what I don't.
Good thing it's optional then.

and if you didn't believe you had the majority why all the doomsaying about subscription numbers in regards to the system's implementation? dramatic effect?

Did you twirl a cape while typing it as well?