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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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Give me a legitimate reason to NOT have a LFD tool.

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darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 08:52 AM | #471
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu View Post
A global LFG chat channel would serve the same purpose, and most likely go MUCH faster than any LFD queue if you actually bothered talking to people of the same level to see if they were interested in doing the same FP you want to.
So you're of the school of thought that getting the group should be the hard part of running a flashpoint.

Because that's what you're saying to every low pop server and most high pop ones.

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Niyenna
02.13.2012 , 08:54 AM | #472
Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu View Post
A global LFG chat channel would serve the same purpose, and most likely go MUCH faster than any LFD queue if you actually bothered talking to people of the same level to see if they were interested in doing the same FP you want to.
A global LFG channel would turn into a generic global channel and do very little. The current who/lfg tab does everything a LFG channel could do, and the only reason it doesn't work is that there aren't enough people using it.

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Vulgarr
02.13.2012 , 08:54 AM | #473
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
I'm skeptical to say the least.

I mean, I was one of those anal people who'd check everyone's armory when they needed on stuff. I ran as a tank, and as a healer without running into griefers except on a really rare occasion. Probably less than 1%, certainly less than 5%.


you can have exactly as much accountability as you will grouping with people on the same server that you may or may not ever see again.

Accountability in mmos is a delusion. Even the worst sorts of people (like the guy who abused masterloot to ninja items from raids, including the ony mount) are still able to run pug raids, stay in guilds, etc. Guys on the PoMS (piece of monkey S***) list on my server in EQ were still in guilds and got groups; and some of the worst people "knew people" so they were able to stay off the list and still train, ks, etc people all day with no real repercussions (staying in 2 of the 3 top raiding guilds on the server, the guys who were farming time during PoP and doing end game raiding expansion after expansion)
this is true, they got raids and grps but it was harder on them before LFD because people had enough courtesy to post the name of a griefer in chat so people that teh people that wanted to could /ignore.

this made it a more pleasant experience for the people that took part in it and made an effort to have an up to date ignore list.

accountability.

strike first with /ignore and you wont have to put up with have the idiots when grouping until it becomes obsolete with LFD.

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iceperson
02.13.2012 , 08:55 AM | #474
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ragamer
02.13.2012 , 08:56 AM | #475
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Doesn't the mass flocking to a lfg tool as you claim indicate that even you know that people would prefer it over your methods?
Mass flocking? Were? Do you think that everyone leaving a game leaves a "goodbye" post? If I add up different posters on this same thread what will I find?

Do you think the sharp decrease on western subs on WoW was not related to what I'm talking about? What about Rift? They are just "coincidences"?

Don't you realize reading this same thread that the confirmation or denial of a LFD will trigger cancelled subs in one portion of your playerbase?... What happens WHILE you are teasing ppl with an unconfirmed date for it?

This is not an option you can add and make every1 happy... It's simply impossible. You have to choose as Game Owner... It's the proyection of lost subs what will matter at the end.

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And these sharp changes? I assume in pop drop?
No, pop drop, as I try to explain above is an unavoidable consequence...

...It's the removal of sharp variations on perceived difficulty from the content your automatically assembled party has to face.

Think on why some encounters are harder than others and then think how you can offer to the average party an average difficulty... Really think what you would do...

...And then look for the patch notes affecting that content... I hope you will spot what I mean.


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Just aren't true as of the most recent sub numbers.
You should read "sub advertising" with care... Specially with games that shift markets because the retention on the old ones has dropped... That's why you usually see "worldwide" attached to them and you never reach easily population profiles...

...Or do you think that the Pandas are chosen "arbitrarily" because they are cute?

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Darth_Bond
02.13.2012 , 08:57 AM | #476
Quote: Originally Posted by Daeborn View Post
LFG tools only help those either too lazy or too unpopular to make or keep friends.

I know a few like that on our server. They have such a bad reputation now I have seen people leave War Zones if they queue up.

If you have a decent guild or know a few people having a LFG tool is a waste of time. BUT, I do think they need one to shut up the endless ranting about not having one.
want friends/community? go outside.

Its a video game.
Story is so important i sold starwars to disney and asked jj abrams to direct the new star wars film....and that is why we cant have faction change!

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darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 08:57 AM | #477
Quote: Originally Posted by Joogsw View Post

I'm not against a LFD tool and the only thing i have against a cross-server LFD is when i have a good time in a group that it's not possible to go and play with them in any way other than instances. With the abovementioned system my other fears (buttheadery in instances, i had them a lot more with the cross-server LFD too than without it in that other game).
In wow atm being able to friend and invite people on other servers is present.

Personally would love to see mmo's get closer and closer to removing the server boundary altogether.

A side of the lfg system I'll bet most of the counter-argument doesn't think of.

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Asavar
02.13.2012 , 08:58 AM | #478
Quote: Originally Posted by Sotof View Post
It's wasted development time that could have been used on things that I actually care about.
The world doesn't revolve around you, kiddo.

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darkcerb
02.13.2012 , 08:59 AM | #479
Quote: Originally Posted by ragamer View Post
Mass flocking? Were? Do you think that everyone leaving a game leaves a "goodbye" post? If I add up different posters on this same thread what will I find?
Go ahead. I have a feeling being the minority of a minority will be humbling.

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Darkulous
02.13.2012 , 09:01 AM | #480
Quote: Originally Posted by iceperson View Post
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What's so great about a mmo community? What's so great about it that we have to protect it from the evil xserver LFD? Seriously, if my irl community resembled a mmo community I would move to a different town today.
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