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stevewilson
02.13.2012 , 05:44 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Gwal View Post
I know about 12 people some of them geared battle masters that will leave this game if a new tier of gear is introduced in the first year.

A lot of us are sick of the game being a big gear grind and want something different and fun to make us play not more Dailys/weeklys for gear.

The gear gap between new 50s is already huge if it grows new player retention will disappear.

Ask yourself this do you want more gear or more places/reasons to actually have/use your gear?
QFT... Would like rated organised PVP...sick of either being in a pre made steam rolling a team and them leaving or Playing a PUG myself with very little chance to win against a Pre Made. It is not very often that I get a close match that could of gone either way. I would say about 1 in 10. It's completely one sided either way.

No need for more gear. The only good thing about the gear grind is you learn your class.

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Desgarden
02.13.2012 , 05:49 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by TheLakers View Post
I know 15+ people that will COME BACK and re-subscribe if another tier was added. They have no reason at all to even log on to their main for pvp. Battlemaster, valor 60 is not hard to get at all and there is no real incentive go past rank 65 atm.



You shouldn't be playing MMOs then. Something different = valor 70+ gear.



New 50s can geared in full cent/champ within a week. The horror.



Both. They aren't mutually exclusive.
And that's exactly what's wrong with mmo players theses days - not just pvpers. For you guys gear = content and gear = character progression.

However, also those devs are to blame. If the age-old gear treadmill is the only thing they can come up with why people want to play the game...oh well.
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TheLakers
02.13.2012 , 05:51 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by nbittel View Post
You're throwing around this rated Warzone thing, you never mentioned that in the original post. I have no problem with rated Warzones so long as a gear reward isn't attached to it.
Gear is attached to this game and every other MMO with a significant playerbase. If you don't like it, you shouldn't be playing MMOs.

Quote: Originally Posted by nbittel View Post
I want actual competition in PvP, I don't want to stomp all over a bunch of people because they can't play 12 hours a day. I want to win because I'm better, not because my chest piece is more purple than theirs.
Again you shouldn't be playing MMOs. But like with anything in life, people that spend more time perfecting something usually have an advantage.

Quote: Originally Posted by nbittel View Post
Those who can't afford to play for 12 hours a day
You don't need to play 12 hours a day to get rank 70 if you win consistently.

Quote: Originally Posted by nbittel View Post
for whatever reason look at the gear gap and are intimidated by it. While it may have taken you a very short time, for someone who can't play as much that gap is much wider and getting curb stomped by you over and over because you have more free time isn't fun for them.
So you can't win, therefore you're not having fun. You're probably the guy that rage quits warzones all day and wonders why he isn't a higher rank.

Quote: Originally Posted by nbittel View Post
If you feel good about beating up on new 50's then thats your thing. I would rather have everyone on equal footing and actually have some competition. You have a gear advantage as it is, you don't need more.
Players will never be on equal footing in a MMO. YOu do realize people wear end-game Pve gear to PvP, right? That's like asking for World Peace.

The rank 70 that wins 90% of the time in warzones compared to a rank 49's 50%, odds are the valor 70 is the more skilled PvPer.

Quote: Originally Posted by nbittel View Post
If they want to give you some kind of visual upgrade, I'm fine with that but expanding the gear gap is bad for the game.
Adding content to the PvP end-game wouldn't be a bad for a game that desperately needs end-game PvP incentive. Huge portion of battlemasters only even got 60 for the PvE benefits the PVP give them.

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Adzzy
02.13.2012 , 05:52 AM | #44
oh sweet mother of god, a fourth gear tier within 2 months?
Keys are lame

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Desgarden
02.13.2012 , 05:53 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by TheLakers View Post

Players will never be on equal footing in a MMO. YOu do realize people wear end-game Pve gear to PvP, right? That's like asking for World Peace.

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While this is true, there is a difference between having an edge in pvp due to being better geared and having an auto-kill due to better gear.

Currently I think it is the latter. I feel no pleasure in ripping a new 50 apart in seconds just because I already wear some BM pieces.
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TheLakers
02.13.2012 , 05:55 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Adzzy View Post
oh sweet mother of god, a fourth gear tier within 2 months?
It's been almost 3 months. Sort of a joke to even call centurion a tier though.

A good player in full champ/cent will destroy a bad player in battlemaster though.

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Aehwe
02.13.2012 , 05:58 AM | #47
For me personally it has nothing to do with gear. I have full BM gear. Sure I PvP a lot less now than I did before I got battlemaster, but what me and my guildies are really waiting for is Ranked Warzones, which will come soon.

With Ilum being as it is, there really is no need to give people new gear for next valor ranks. The next tiers will probably come with ranked warzones.
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Adzzy
02.13.2012 , 06:00 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by TheLakers View Post
It's been almost 3 months. Sort of a joke to even call centurion a tier though.

A good player in full champ/cent will destroy a bad player in battlemaster though.
it'd be irresponsible on their part, at that rate, item inflation will like lvl 70 gear by this time next year.
Keys are lame

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TheLakers
02.13.2012 , 06:01 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Desgarden View Post
While this is true, there is a difference between having an edge in pvp due to being better geared and having an auto-kill due to better gear.

Currently I think it is the latter. I feel no pleasure in ripping a new 50 apart in seconds just because I already wear some BM pieces.
Leveling to 50 is not hard. People do that in in under 5 days played. Balancing PvP around 'new' 50s is dumb. It's also not an issue since they can reasonably geared for PvP in a week.

I've seen plenty of fresh 50s win warzones though since they actually PvP'd while leveling up. Warzones are not about deathmatch currently, plenty of objective based things to contribute.

Also: Hence rated warzones that have already been announced. Fresh 50s that lose will be put against other fresh 50s that lose/win at the same rate until they stop losing all the time.

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silvercgull
02.13.2012 , 06:04 AM | #50
You self absorbed people !!!!


At least you did not get the basic champ gear nerf!!!!


It is obvious each and every one of you is only concerned with "your" situation !!

I hope they make a 4th and 5th tier gear grindfest and each piece costs 675 commendations with 3 per bag !!!
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